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  • #16
    rainman8819
    Member
    • Jul 2005
    • 306

    Couldn't agree more with starting small and working your way up. My nephew started out with the usual airsoft guns and moved into BB and pellet guns. Then my brother and I took him out and with close supervision started to shoot .22 rifles and then handguns.

    Now a few years later and a little bit older, we started to let him shoot 9mm and a little bit of 45. We've also let him take a few shots with my SU16 and M1 carbine. He loves the recoil and most importantly he can control it. But we're always right behind him incase of problems.

    I forgot to mention that this all started when he was around 7. He just turned 11 and he's already asking for my SOCOM. I love that kid and safety is always on my mind. I know accidents happen and that's why I'm always watching and ready to step in if I need to.

    I can't even imagine what the family is going through.

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    • #17
      dwa
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2008
      • 2452

      i think until you have double digits in age you should stick to the 10/22s. and parent that let him shoot the uzi should be considered for some kind of charges
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      • #18
        fred40
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2006
        • 1845

        poor kid man, I dont understand why a parent will let an 8 yr old handle an uzi. my kid is 6 and he only handles 1 pellet at a time, there is no way I will hand him an uzi. thats plain ignorant.

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        • #19
          tyrist
          Veteran Member
          • Jun 2007
          • 4564

          I am still trying to imagine exactly how this happened. It must not of been a shoulder fired uzi. They are lucky the kid just shot himself I could see him falling down and taking out a whole line of people standing to either side of him.

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          • #20
            Blacky
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2008
            • 1093

            "You may fire when you are ready Gridley."

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            • #21
              otteray
              Veteran Member
              • Feb 2006
              • 3250

              I would never hand a fully auto firearm to a 3rd grader.
              Of course it raised up with recoil. How could they not see this coming
              especially in light of the fact that some adults cannot control full auto?
              Tragic negligence and a stupid mistake, from my distant prospective point of view.
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              • #22
                ENTHUSIAST
                Veteran Member
                • Feb 2008
                • 4440

                The report said that the gun was loaded, prepared and handed to the kid by an instructor and kid's Dad was a was not only a a Medical Doctor but a Director of an ER, WOW, there seem to be alot a responsible adults around at the time...

                When I was that age BB/pellet seemed like a big safety concern for most adults and as I got older it was a slow move up to small caliber single shot/semi-auto... I would be scared to give a Full-Auto to most of my adult friends let alone an eight year old geez.

                Prayers to the family.
                Last edited by ENTHUSIAST; 10-27-2008, 6:43 PM.

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                • #23
                  ilbob
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 1777

                  20/20 hindsight and all, but I would not be letting any 8 year old shoot anything other than a 22 with a single round in it. Maybe one round of a more powerful round, but a FA Uzi? No way.
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                  • #24
                    Xerxes
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 1665

                    Originally posted by nick
                    A gun ban coming? For the safety of the children, of course.

                    Why ban the gun?

                    Why not ban children?

                    Certainly would save us a lot of grief and stress as well as a lot of money.


                    Also no one is seeing this for what it is.

                    The poor kid is a hero.

                    That stupid UZI was going off and heading for the crowd.

                    Instead of having innocents killed by an out of control UZI he pulled it back towards himself and let the UZI shoot him instead.

                    Stuff like this gives the gun grabbers ammunition for more bans because the great unwashed masses of rednecks are to stupid for their own good and need Pelosi/Boxer/Obama to offer a strong fatherly and motherly figure with good whip ar$e to protect the stupid rednecks from killing each other.

                    In a real Darwinian world, if this was true then the Democrats would be better off letting nature take its course.

                    I can see the gun grabbers going after NFA now since they have an actual child's death to attribute to NFA items.

                    I say instead the focus should be on Obama and his $400 million raised and spent on advertising that caused over a million deaths of children in Africa, yes I said over a million, since he could have spent all that money on the children in Africa, so by spending it on himself it is the same as if he killed those million children himself.

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                    • #25
                      Doheny
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                      • Sep 2008
                      • 13820

                      Santa Ana PD had a range master killed in a similar manner in 1998 while firing a Mac-11. The center column of the page on the link below tells about it.




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                      • #26
                        oddball
                        Veteran Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 3386

                        My 10 year old son started shooting rifles when he was 8 years old. He started with a .22 bolt action, which is still his current firearm. He was hammered by both me and his instructor on safety rules. They are second nature to him now.

                        Giving a full-auto Uzi to an untrained 8 year old is gross negligence times 10.
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                        • #27
                          ivanimal
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                          • Sep 2002
                          • 14365

                          As a father that loves guns, I wanted to tech my son everything about shooting ans now! God saw it differently, my son was no more prepared at 8 years old to shoot than I am qualified to fly an airplane. I knew it and held off till he was 10 and got it. What we want for our kids does not always give them what is best for them. It looks like that may have cost this poor child his life. The surviving family will have a long hard road to recovery after this. It will be a cold winter.
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                          • #28
                            Moto_Joe
                            Member
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 134

                            I just saw this story on Yahoo News and it made me literally sick to my stomach. According to the story I read, the model wasn't just an uzi but a micro uzi- firing what? 1200-1400 rpm? The torque that that small of a fire arm must produce firing that fast is almost unimaginable. I truly think it was gross negligence on the part of the father, the range instructor, and the company producing the event to allow this to happen. I doubt a trained professional can even fire more then extremely short burts with this gun with any semblance of control. Sickening. I'm glad there was already a thread up to discuss it. Sad as hell that one so young had to lose his life due to the gross incompetance and criminal negligence of those around him.

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                            • #29
                              Capt. Speirs
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 1232

                              It saddens me to hear that a child was killed because no one saw the potential danger. Never ever should a child of that stature handle a powerful weapon like that in fullauto. Special training is needed to handle sub-machineguns for that very reason, they climb very quickly in full auto and if you are not prepared it can and most likely go wrong.

                              I was at the Huntington Beach Firing Line watching a small build, about 135 lbs, man shoot a Colt Government model 70. He shot the first round down range and the second in the ceiling. It is not a good idea to let individuals shoot anything they are not familiar with or have had extensive training with.
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                              • #30
                                GuyW
                                Banned
                                • Dec 2002
                                • 4298

                                Originally posted by Capt. Speirs
                                I was at the Huntington Beach Firing Line watching a small build, about 135 lbs, man shoot a Colt Government model 70. He shot the first round down range and the second in the ceiling. It is not a good idea to let individuals shoot anything they are not familiar with or have had extensive training with.
                                How do you get "extensive training with it" without shooting the gun??

                                My 13 yo daughter who weighs maybe 90 lbs, can shoot a 1911 just fine. She had shot cf handguns, .380, .38 sp, .357 mag, but not extensively, before trying the 1911...

                                ...but on-topic, this is a horror that I cannot comprehend as a Dad...

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