New Ivermectin study dropped

[Scota4570]

At this point whether ivermectin works or not is an academic question. The current covid variants are so feeble as to not be a health concern.

[Garand Hunter]

Multi vitamins, Quercetin, Zinz and occasional expression of FAITH regarding health were my routines. Did not get the vax or the 'rona. Thank you LORD !

Psalm 1

[stonefly-2]

Zinc has always been part of the recommended treatment protocol by working advocates of ivermectin I am aware of.

True, as is vit. "D" and a number of other things the FLCCC lists but they are not the "same" thing.


They tend to be practitioners and not molecular biologists. There may or may not be a direct interaction.

IVM was found to be an ionophore for Zinc rather late in the game,
being so there would certainly be interaction.


Doubtful the advocates could formulate a theory ahead of time about it even if there were. It could simply be ivermectin alone isn't potent enough to be effective.

Yes that's what you imply......but with no link to anything that supports that.



But if your going to do a study testing the theory ivermectin is effective against covid why leave it out when the advocates have said use them togeather?


Could be either the relatively late realization that it was an ionophore, just so as not to confuse the issue or in the hope of queering the issue....which is most likely.

Reminds me of the previous study where they did not use the recommended (by the same advocates) dosages by weigh and 'concluded' it was ineffective.

Past that there is some personal experience. Second and third time I used it I didn't take zinc. Didn't work as it did the first time. Since remembering to take it.. it has worked better again.

Used it how?

Diligently as part of a prophylaxis protocol or as treatment when you got ill?

If when ill, how many times have you been stricken and have you got the "vaccination" and how many boosters?

I suspect we will find people that have taken the jabs will KEEP getting "it",

"it" being parenthetical because what really is the difference between your body coping with spike proteins from a viral infection and spike proteins caused to replicate indefinitely from an injection?

Answer: antibodies.

Appreciate any anecdotals here and I have one of my own,
I have adhered to the FLCCC protocols and just done what was expected of me all along.

I was whatever the phrase they used at the time "exempt" from lockdown or critical because of my craft and been in sick people's homes a number of times now.

Note: AC fixer did as well but got sick anyway through not particularly challenged to hear him tell it.

[sl0re10]

I've used it after exposure.

[stonefly-2]

I've used it after exposure.

You wrote "didn't work as it did the first time" so did you get Covid then?

and that it is "working better again since remembering to take it".

I'm trying to be less interrogational in my approach around here lately and if you don't want to go into details that's fine but there is a shortage of them here...just saying.

[NaClAddict]

Have at least a dozen coworkers who shared my experience. When taken early on IVM provided immense relief within an hour or two. Every person who took it had a nearly identical story.

[19K]

Mental gymnastics rock

[sl0re10]

stonefly-2

Not sure. Wasn't testing. Whatever I was fighting wasn't knocked down immediately like the first time. I still was still not sick for weeks. Just a few days. Took it again last night because the back of my throat was burning (visited a hospital Wednesday). 100% gone this morning....

I had seven day covid once (sick for three days plus mop up) where everyone around me tested positive. It was still mellow from my pov. Watched tv, vaped nicotine, took DayQuil (if I had low oxygen), and gargled honey whiskey... Along with taking ivm... And I have have heart failure... My main memory was getting some good deep sleep for once. I had some long covid symptoms (cough) for a few months and a test showed I had super (over the high range) high monocytes. Concluded it was inflammation/autoimmune and not active covid*. Treated with anti inflammatories and eating avocados (instead of foods that might cause inflammation). Fine now.

In general I think I avoided any serious harm from covid or the covid industrial complex, despite having heart failure, by using outside the box treatments...

* The only person I know who died "from covid" did so from lung damage six months after having covid and spending a lot of time in a hospital.... I was "lucky" that I had their situation to reflect on. It probably helped me protect myself after covid.... Re: long covid isn't covid. It is usually covid (or vax) side effects like autoimmune problems.

[stonefly-2]

Man......this is such a despicable thing to have become inured to.

Time will come that the things that need saying should not be said online
and the glowies here will try to them out.

Chart your course carefully my friends medically and political speech both.

[sl0re10]

stonefly-2
"Man......this is such a despicable thing to have become inured to."

Yes. If anyone in the future does look back on this as a historical record... Needing to study why your friends and acquaintances died to try to save yourself, family, and friends from the same fate does weigh in on you...

You expect doctors and the establishment to do this but the mechanism involved is too similar between long covid and vax injury... Ergo it must not be officially looked into as a issue... Ironically; even the only long covid victims are also suffering as a result...

My brother may die from his vax injury. His doctor had to lie in his chart to claim he is allergic to a compound in the vax so he could be eligible for lifesaving treatment (since saying the vax just hurt him is unsafe for the doctor due to political pressure... And otherwise the hospital would require more boosters which would kill him).. These are dark times for many of us.

[stonefly-2]

stonefly-2
"Man......this is such a despicable thing to have become inured to."

Yes. If anyone in the future does look back on this as a historical record... Needing to study why your friends and acquaintances died to try to save yourself, family, and friends from the same fate does weigh in on you...

You expect doctors and the establishment to do this but the mechanism involved is too similar between long covid and vax injury... Ergo it must not be officially looked into as a issue...

My brother may die from his vax injury. These are dark times for many of us.

I don't know what to make of the extent and completeness of the program.

There is no honest mistake to it considering the effort to exclude any and all possible actual treatments in so dire a situation as was portrayed.

Some sort of applied mass hysteria I suppose but to overcome the regard for the Hippocratic oath of so many medical professionals seems beyond the ability of threats and payoffs.

The "media" and politicians of so different affiliation and nationality all being complicit is a wonderment.

Human nature would be more in line with more of both of those taking the chance at a big jump in status for only following ordinary reason.

What concerns me most is that what seems to fit the puzzle best is that all this was done for altruistic reasons.

As horrid as it is could there be the resolve to avoid something worse behind it?

For now we only know for sure that many involved have been tools of something larger.

As tools there can be something understood from the way they have been applied.

Even now with the trickle rate of coming clean with the "Yeah well ok, maybe it wasn't bat soup after all" n such seems to me an attempt at a slow dilution so as to not get the castle stormed from a more sudden realization.

Sorta like the reality of our election process and the continued presence of a lingering parasite in our house because of it.

[SAN compnerd]

I see these discussions about IVM and HCQ in a similar light to the AGW discussion.

There is no money to be made by supporting the use of IVM, nor is there any money to be made by debunking AGW.

Conversely there's mountains of money to those who attack the use of IVM and those who support the green movement and AGW.

Follow the money.

[theLBC]

I see these discussions about IVM and HCQ in a similar light to the AGW discussion.

There is no money to be made by supporting the use of IVM, nor is there any money to be made by debunking AGW.

Conversely there's mountains of money to those who attack the use of IVM and those who support the green movement and AGW.

Follow the money.

cvs jacked up the price on ivm for me, (and it took 2 weeks for them to fill the prescription). pharmacist looked genuinely shocked that i accepted the cost.