“no study in the world that show that masks work”

[theLBC]

[DaveInOroValley]

I wore this when it first started, seemed to work.

[71MUSTY]

I am no expert, but I know an Emergency room Doctor who told his hospital he would not wear a mask unless they provided him with a credible study proving they worked against COVID. Hospital has allowed him to work mask less ever since. Even last week when I was there every staff member wore a mask except him, Staff was requiring patients to mask up, but the minute he walked into their room he told them to take the useless thing off. As he is an independent contractor he did not fall under California's Employee Mandates.

[RJR45]

Years from now, there will still be people masking in their cars or walking around doing the stupid "jaw hammock" thing. Psychological conditioning is strong.

[Bert Gamble]

Just being intellectually honest here - the main reason masks don't work, is that people are morons and cannot possibly be trusted to use them correctly. I never once went out during the "mask required" times, and failed to see at least several people pulling down their masks, or sticking their dirty unwashed fingers up under their mask. Of course they don't work, but really it isn't completely the mask's fault. If you're wearing a gas mask, you can't lift it up to scratch your nose while in a gas cloud. Mask works fine, human doesn't.
Surgical masks have been proven, to help surgeons keep bacteria/germs out of the open wounds of their patients, within a sanitary room. It's a very narrow use-case. Surgeons don't wear them to protect themselves. When they need their own protection from something that actually might be airborne, they wear an enclosed pressure suit. No doctor would ever go into an ebola ward and say - "oh, this t-shirt on my face is good enough". And I don't buy the "better than nothing" argument because false confidence makes you take risks that you wouldn't otherwise or be complacent.
If you wore a properly fitted N95, and followed required sanitation processes the same way a surgeon does, 100% of the time, I bet you'd be pretty good at not catching anything (flu, cold, covid, etc.). That's also not at all a realistic way to live life.

A big part of the problem is that an N-95 was never required. What they required was paper or T shirt material that is about as effective at blocking a virus as a screen door is at blocking seawater on your submarine.

They made us wear that crap to exert control and their lackeys in the media shut us down when we pointed it out. I taught respiratory protection for decades and NIOSH standards have always been clear on the subject. A dust (surgical) mask is effective only for particles large enough to see, such as respirable dust and yard clippings.

This is not Bert talking. This is the agency that OSHA relies on to set respiratory protection policy talking. Unfortunately the government decided not to listen to them because it was inconvenient.

[Bert Gamble]

Any proof of that??

I have studied this until I am fed up and bored. My professional background includes PPE and interpretation of scientific/ medical journal literature. I have not found any reliable data to show that any mask worn by the public protects against viruses.

I would love to see proof. Speculation is not proof, I am looking for a proper scientific study in a peer reviewed medical journal.

A PAPR or powered air purifying respirator, while not just a mask will be effective. This is why those tasked with working in the Covid ICU will wear them along with the Tyvek suit. Both the suit and filters are incinerated after use. The suits after each room visit, and the canisters at least every shift.

[Scota4570]

A PAPR or powered air purifying respirator, while not just a mask will be effective.

True, hardly a mask that is worn by the public though. Keep in mind that doffing such a suit required decontamination procedures to be correctly done. Otherwise you will be exposed via touching the outside of the suit.

My new "suits" for grocery shopping! These really work. See attached....

Keep in mind the current strain of covid is so feeble that few people realize that they have it. So, I do not care if any mask works or not, none do though. Masking is the neurotic behavior of ignorant and terrorized people. At this point I feel sad for them and angry at the same time. Angry at the unqualified people who make these stupid rules and force them on all of us.

"Every little bit helps" Really? No, it does not.

[Bert Gamble]

A PAPR or powered air purifying respirator, while not just a mask will be effective.

True, hardly a mask that is worn by the public though. Keep in mind that doffing such a suit required decontamination procedures to be correctly done. Otherwise you will be exposed via touching the outside of the suit.

My new "suits" for grocery shopping! These really work. See attached....

Keep in mind the current strain of covid is so feeble that few people realize that they have it. So, I do not care if any mask works or not, none do though. Masking is the neurotic behavior of ignorant and terrorized people. At this point I feel sad for them and angry at the same time. Angry at the unqualified people who make these stupid rules and force them on all of us.

"Every little bit helps" Really? No, it does not.

[Scota4570]

True! They are extremely uncomfortable and impractical too. On a warm day working for and hour can produce so much captured sweat that you will pour it out of your boots. It is disgusting.

And APRs are not going to work either. They require a perfect seal. Most people will not achieve that without professional fit testing. No facial hair is necessary. APRs also tend to fog up and obstruct your vision. And, why bother? At this point you'd be more likely to die of an injury cased by poor vision than covid itself.

All this theoretical stuff is fine for BS-ing around a campfire. In the real world we need to assess the actual risk and weigh it against the real threat. Until Pfizer or the Chinese make another killer virus we are in no particular danger. I would argue the opposite. Getting one of the current innocuous strains provides robust and long lasting immunity to any similar covid virus. Avoiding the current strains is not a good idea. They are actually a gift.

[Bert Gamble]

True! They are extremely uncomfortable and impractical too. On a warm day working for and hour can produce so much captured sweat that you will pour it out of your boots. It is disgusting.

And APRs are not going to work either. They require a perfect seal. Most people will not achieve that without professional fit testing. No facial hair is necessary. APRs also tend to fog up and obstruct your vision. And, why bother? At this point you'd be more likely to die of an injury cased by poor vision than covid itself.

All this theoretical stuff is fine for BS-ing around a campfire. In the real world we need to assess the actual risk and weigh it against the real threat. Until Pfizer or the Chinese make another killer virus we are in no particular danger. I would argue the opposite. Getting one of the current innocuous strains provides robust and long lasting immunity to any similar covid virus. Avoiding the current strains is not a good idea. They are actually a gift.

A PAPR does not fog up. Think sandblast hood style. There is a non sealed hood with a clear face shield connected to a tube at the top, which is connected to a blower motor connected to a P100 (magenta colored) HEPA filter. Clean air is constantly being blown down across your face and exiting below your chin.

I am not saying that this is a good idea, but if Covid (or any other disease) was dangerous enough, I would have one.

Here is an example. It is expensive but the filter can be cleaned rather than replaced.

https://www.penntoolco.com/american-papr-powered-air-purifying-respirator-felix200/?msclkid=cfe9c35f94af1dc86a57a0879c90db65&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=**LP%20Shopping%20(4)%20-%20%24500-%24999.99&utm_term=4575274054952861&utm_content=399232%20%7C%20American%20PAPR%20Powered%20Air-Purifying%20Respirator%20-%20FELIX200%20%7C%20%24995

[Elgatodeacero]

Masks do not work

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full