did the Trump administration do us a disservice getting the vaccine approval?

[Yugo]

Trump is a genius, had he not fast rushed it people would have never found out how bad the shot actually is.

FDA still hasnt "approved" anything! It is still emergency use.

WORDS matter, if you listened to him he always pushed "therapeutics" (which he him self still takes)

[Fastattack]

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The Trump approach of making it available for those willing to take the risk is not unreasonable. ...

This. Adding in full transparency and no propaganda would have been a huge benefit. Unfortunately, it turned politically ugly almost immediately thanks to the never-trumpers.

[anthonyca]

FDA approval occurred under Biden, not Trump. Under Trump we only got Emergency Use Authorization, as in this is completely experimental but if you want to take a chance we won't stop you. There is no indication that Trump would have attempted to push the experimental product on anyone unwillingly.

The Trump approach of making it available for those willing to take the risk is not unreasonable. The Biden approach of attempting to force everyone to take an experimental product, under threat of losing your job and being barred from all other employment for the foreseeable future, that's the real problem. The coercion, most of the lies about the vax, all of the coverup for adverse events, that was all under Biden.

These shots are still under EUA are NOT approved. Try to get Pfizer Cormunity (sp) or Moderna Spikevax anywhere in the USA.

[bohoki]

all i know is people were lining up around the block to get it when it first came out the second there was pressure to get it the lines disappeared

[Creeping Incrementalism]

These shots are still under EUA are NOT approved. Try to get Pfizer Cormunity (sp) or Moderna Spikevax anywhere in the USA.

I believe the Rocketman was correct when he stated that the full FDA approval included "backwards-approval" (whatever you call it) to the previous Pfizer EUA chemical concoction.

[TrappedinCalifornia]

Yes, it certainly did, although you really can't blame that admin because at the time Covid was a HUGE unknown, and even what we know now showed that the original strain was more lethal than most viruses we have seen.

Looking back it becomes clear that cutting all of those steps and essentially approving an untested product based upon the word of greedy pharm companies that only care about profits just MIGHT NOT have been the best idea after all.

Bolded part is correct. However now that the genie is out of the bottle it will become a normal approach. Expect a new 'emergency' every couple years or so - conveniently synchronized to major election cycles.

I suspect this is the crux of it.

Trump provided an alternative for people to have an option so they could roll the dice one way or the other based on what was known at the time. Judging today, based on the documentation becoming available, today, isn't necessarily the best indicator of what was factoring into the decisions then. As others have been indicating, Trump provided people with a choice. Biden and the Democrat governors have been promoting and attempting to implement a lack of choice.

The question now is... How do we bring back the 'safety mechanisms' so that it doesn't become SOP going down the road?

[balgor]

You know Trump pro-vaccine, right?

"The vaccine is one of the greatest achievements of mankind"

"The vaccine worked. But some people aren't taking it. The ones that get very sick and go to the hospital are the ones that don't take the vaccine."

"But I'ts still their choice, and if you take the vaccine, you're protected. Look, the results of the vaccine are very good, and if you do get it, it's a very minor form. People aren't dying when they take the vaccine."

[gimebakmybulits]

You know Trump pro-vaccine, right?

"The vaccine is one of the greatest achievements of mankind"

"The vaccine worked. But some people aren't taking it. The ones that get very sick and go to the hospital are the ones that don't take the vaccine."

"But I'ts still their choice, and if you take the vaccine, you're protected. Look, the results of the vaccine are very good, and if you do get it, it's a very minor form. People aren't dying when they take the vaccine."

More proof that you have the cognative capacity of a turnip.

[castgold]

I wouldn't conflate intent with execution.

[Creeping Incrementalism]

You know Trump pro-vaccine, right?

"The vaccine is one of the greatest achievements of mankind"

"The vaccine worked. But some people aren't taking it. The ones that get very sick and go to the hospital are the ones that don't take the vaccine."

"But I'ts still their choice, and if you take the vaccine, you're protected. Look, the results of the vaccine are very good, and if you do get it, it's a very minor form. People aren't dying when they take the vaccine."

I think everyone knows this, and you seem to realize that's not the point of this thread, but I'm not sure. To spell it out explicitly: the point is Americans were getting fired from their jobs and excluded from society.

[The Tiger]

did the Trump administration do us a disservice getting the vaccine approval?

Yes!!!

Imagine if there was no vax and no lockdowns and this ran its course and was over with a year ago.

[ibanezfoo]

FDA approval in record time - did that really help at all?

would you have felt more comfortable if the FDA took the same amount of time with the vaccine as what is the norm for FDA approval of new drugs?

i feel like our democrat administration has turned it against us - we went from a Presidential candidate vilifying the drug, in his own words, "even if it was FDA approved", to now forcing it on the American people - during the elections our current VP said she "would NEVER take the Trump vaccine" - we now see how they all flip flopped on the issue and now use it as a tool to control our lives, even to the point of threatening people with their livelihoods - sigh

i almost wish at this point it never happened, nothing was rushed through just for the bragging rights, especially since it doesn't even seem to work as advertised, but they'll just keep moving the goal posts

get prepared for quarterly boosters mandates for the rest of your lives, wouldn't put it past them

Trump was played like a fiddle