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  • FalconLair
    Veteran Member
    • Apr 2012
    • 3906

    did the Trump administration do us a disservice getting the vaccine approval?

    FDA approval in record time - did that really help at all?

    would you have felt more comfortable if the FDA took the same amount of time with the vaccine as what is the norm for FDA approval of new drugs?

    i feel like our democrat administration has turned it against us - we went from a Presidential candidate vilifying the drug, in his own words, "even if it was FDA approved", to now forcing it on the American people - during the elections our current VP said she "would NEVER take the Trump vaccine" - we now see how they all flip flopped on the issue and now use it as a tool to control our lives, even to the point of threatening people with their livelihoods - sigh

    i almost wish at this point it never happened, nothing was rushed through just for the bragging rights, especially since it doesn't even seem to work as advertised, but they'll just keep moving the goal posts

    get prepared for quarterly boosters mandates for the rest of your lives, wouldn't put it past them
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  • #2
    702dog
    Banned
    • Nov 2021
    • 114

    All good points, thank you.

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    • #3
      Deadon
      Calguns Addict
      • Aug 2010
      • 9975

      My thoughts are he's was screwed either way. What I take issue with is the facts that you should have been able to sur AFTER EUA was removed and it was FDA approved.
      So yes I hold him responsible for that part. But if he wouldn't have rushed the vaxx it was a no win.
      Lions not sheep.

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      • #4
        stormvet
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Mar 2010
        • 12533

        No it didn’t do Jack but give the progs more ammo to screw up the country. But hell nobody’s perfect, I think he thought he was doing a good thing. He trusted that it would actually be used for good, he should have known better.
        Im a warmonger baby, I got blood in my eyes and I'm looking at you.

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        • #5
          stix213
          AKA: Joe Censored
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Apr 2009
          • 18998

          FDA approval occurred under Biden, not Trump. Under Trump we only got Emergency Use Authorization, as in this is completely experimental but if you want to take a chance we won't stop you. There is no indication that Trump would have attempted to push the experimental product on anyone unwillingly.

          The Trump approach of making it available for those willing to take the risk is not unreasonable. The Biden approach of attempting to force everyone to take an experimental product, under threat of losing your job and being barred from all other employment for the foreseeable future, that's the real problem. The coercion, most of the lies about the vax, all of the coverup for adverse events, that was all under Biden.

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          • #6
            SWalt
            Calguns Addict
            • Jan 2012
            • 8599

            I expect all pro Trump CGN members to throw him over board! Which would be poetic since Trump throws everyone over board that isn't 100% behind him. Circular firing squads, gotta love them. BTW........Trump could only go by what the "experts" were telling him and he had to base his decisions on that. There is no such thing as perfect information, you have to go with what is known at the time. Now, that doesn't excuse Fauci because 6 months in they knew what was happening in regards to who was affected, the 60+ crowd and those with multiple health problems.
            ^^^The above is just an opinion.

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            • #7
              FalconLair
              Veteran Member
              • Apr 2012
              • 3906

              Originally posted by stix213
              FDA approval occurred under Biden, not Trump. Under Trump we only got Emergency Use Authorization, as in this is completely experimental but if you want to take a chance we won't stop you. There is no indication that Trump would have attempted to push the experimental product on anyone unwillingly.

              The Trump approach of making it available for those willing to take the risk is not unreasonable. The Biden approach of attempting to force everyone to take an experimental product, under threat of losing your job and being barred from all other employment for the foreseeable future, that's the real problem. The coercion, most of the lies about the vax, all of the coverup for adverse events, that was all under Biden.
              don't get me wrong, Trump get saddled with a problem than no administration could've ever predicted - personally, i think he handled it well, but i do believe that even though it was FDA approved under Biden, it was on the fast track for approval during the Trump administration - please correct me if i am wrong

              what the Biden administration is doing now that they are in charge is reprehensible, they are pushing things (mandates) that i don't believe we would have ever seen under the Trump administration

              in hindsight, all his efforts to eradicate COVID was turned against us with the change in administrations

              they'll never give him proper credit anyway, but they sure have done a great job of weaponizing it against the American people
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              • #8
                Tommy Gun
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2011
                • 806

                Dont forget they stalled approving the vaxx so he couldn't get a "win" but the vaccine was all BS to begin with and we shall see all the health complications from it in the coming years.

                I feel he wanted the vaxx out so when he won we could get the economy going again, but we saw how that turned out. The Dems used it as a weapon to hurt the folks amd ow Covid has all ut disappeared from the news and LAC is done with all the mandates for most of regular life.

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                • #9
                  Harry Ono
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2018
                  • 965

                  Originally posted by FalconLair
                  FDA approval in record time - did that really help at all?

                  get prepared for quarterly boosters mandates for the rest of your lives, wouldn't put it past them
                  No Trump did a great job. It was Biden that ran around with Mandates people take the shot regardless if they were not at risk or immune. Thats the issue at hand.

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                  • #10
                    Spartan301
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Jan 2013
                    • 2048

                    Shouldn't this be over in the Mask Breather Forum?
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                    • #11
                      Cali-Glock
                      In Memoriam
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 3890

                      Originally posted by FalconLair
                      FDA approval in record time - did that really help at all?

                      would you have felt more comfortable if the FDA took the same amount of time with the vaccine as what is the norm for FDA approval of new drugs?

                      i feel like our democrat administration has turned it against us - we went from a Presidential candidate vilifying the drug, in his own words, "even if it was FDA approved", to now forcing it on the American people - during the elections our current VP said she "would NEVER take the Trump vaccine" - we now see how they all flip flopped on the issue and now use it as a tool to control our lives, even to the point of threatening people with their livelihoods - sigh

                      i almost wish at this point it never happened, nothing was rushed through just for the bragging rights, especially since it doesn't even seem to work as advertised, but they'll just keep moving the goal posts

                      get prepared for quarterly boosters mandates for the rest of your lives, wouldn't put it past them
                      Trump may have helped start the process but no Covid vaccines were approved while he was President. During Biden's administration two Covid vaccines have been approved (the second this week IIRC) - but as of yet I don't believe either are available for anyone to use, though the emergency use authorized version are.
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                      • #12
                        Den60
                        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Jul 2016
                        • 2695

                        No, he trusted what he was being told by "experts." When he is back in charge he will likely take them to task to explain themselves.


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                        • #13
                          arrix
                          Veteran Member
                          • May 2012
                          • 3906

                          Pence was in charge of the vaccines. Take that for what you will.
                          There is no week nor day nor hour, when tyranny may not enter upon this country, if the people lose their supreme confidence in themselves -- and lose their roughness and spirit of defiance -- Tyranny may always enter -- there is no charm, no bar against it -- the only bar against it is a large resolute breed of men.

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                          • #14
                            stonefly-2
                            Veteran Member
                            • Mar 2013
                            • 4993

                            As it turns out what small part he played was a disservice yes but in
                            fairness who didn't trust the CDC at that point?
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                            • #15
                              sl0re10
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Jan 2013
                              • 7242

                              Yes. But it seems to go deeper than the president. There was a mass propaganda campaign over pushing it... Such that medical personnel were afraid to discuss it.

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