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  • #16
    Rockglocks
    Banned
    • Sep 2021
    • 38

    Originally posted by Epaphroditus
    I hear this often - it's just wrong. Stop it.

    Virii are not free floating entities. So called airborne viruses are carried aloft by moisture droplets. These droplets can be large like obviously visible spittle from speaking, coughing or sneezing (which even crappy cloth masks can stop fairly well). They are also carried aloft in aerosols which are WAY larger than an individual virus. Aerosols vary in size and persistence and there are complicating factors that contribute to demise or viruses in aerosols. Some virus "die" quickly in aerosols while some persist remarkably long and can travel hundreds of kilometers (see hoof and mouth disease).

    Masks/respirators or other means that prevent inhalation of these aerosols are what help prevent transmission. Properly fitted N95 masks work quite well at stopping aerosols.

    People that continue to speak about the size of a virus in relation to mask pores sizes are simply showing their ignorance. Don't be ignorant.

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    • #17
      Tango_Down
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2017
      • 1175

      I disagree. Masks do work.... in helping me identify people with 2 digit IQs without even having to converse with them.
      People driving by themselves with a mask on are low 2 digit IQ morons.

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      • #18
        subscriber
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2011
        • 929

        Originally posted by Epaphroditus
        coughing or sneezing (which even crappy cloth masks can stop fairly well).
        When a person coughs or sneezes with a cloth mask on, the flow rate is too high to pass through the mask. So the mask lifts off their face. Then, a very large proportion of that air with virus laden droplets bypasses the mask. Sure, the drops form a cloud around the sick person, rather than travel far, but anyone close enough to smell a fart, is going to breath in virus laden air from a masked sneeze.

        If you don't want to get sick, stay far away from anyone who looks sick. Unfortunately seeing who looks sick is harder because they are wearing a mask...

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        • #19
          subscriber
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2011
          • 929

          Originally posted by Epaphroditus
          People that continue to speak about the size of a virus in relation to mask pores sizes are simply showing their ignorance. Don't be ignorant.

          People that assume masks make a gas tight seal on a person's face when they sneeze are showing their ignorance.

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          • #20
            subscriber
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2011
            • 929

            A mask might stop you from sneezing on a person 20 feet away (unless they are downwind), but masking does nothing for people next to you:








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            • #21
              sbo80
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2014
              • 2264

              Except that's not what that proves. It doesn't show that Covid goes through these masks. You know what studies also show? People are idiots and don't wear the masks right or use them right. They will move a mask aside to stick a finger up their nose, eat without washing their hands, or remove a mask to cough into their own hand (see vids of Biden, repeatedly) and then touch things. People bypass the masks, constantly, but obviously they will because they suck to wear. A properly fitted, and properly worn, N95 does in fact do what it says. Even though that's not reality in practice.
              The bulk of the point of a mask is to stop sick people from spreading their virus infested spit and mucus everywhere. Surgeons do not wear masks to keep your sickness out of their face, they wear them to stop their bacteria-laden spit from falling into open wounds on patients thereby infecting them. Mandates are stupid, simply because reality dictates even if 100% of people wear a mask, 99% of them are doing it wrong.

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              • #22
                deerdeerdeer
                Veteran Member
                • Sep 2014
                • 2696

                I bought a 50 pack and only used 10 so far just to go Costco in the last two years, I want a refund because I feel like an idiot for falling for the psuedo-science from day one, that went away after month 3 of the pandemic, when the statistic didn't add up, the lies. Sorry , but I dont trust liars.

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                • #23
                  SanDiego619
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jan 2013
                  • 11983

                  Masks DO work...

                  For converting idiots into sheep.
                  Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty.

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                  • #24
                    subscriber
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 929

                    Originally posted by SanDiego619
                    Masks DO work...

                    For converting idiots into sheep.
                    Or for signaling that idiots have been converted into sheep...

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                    • #25
                      larkja
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2013
                      • 1362

                      There are studies that show the effectiveness of N95 masks. However, that's not what 99.9% of the public wear. So, riddle me this. We're going on two years of this BS. Why hasn't there been a legit CDC study done on the masks typically worn by the public? With all the talk (pros and cons) and mask mandates, wouldn't you think the government agencies would want to prove the effectiveness of these masks? But all we hear are crickets chirping.


                      Originally posted by Epaphroditus
                      I hear this often - it's just wrong. Stop it.

                      Virii are not free floating entities. So called airborne viruses are carried aloft by moisture droplets. These droplets can be large like obviously visible spittle from speaking, coughing or sneezing (which even crappy cloth masks can stop fairly well). They are also carried aloft in aerosols which are WAY larger than an individual virus. Aerosols vary in size and persistence and there are complicating factors that contribute to demise or viruses in aerosols. Some virus "die" quickly in aerosols while some persist remarkably long and can travel hundreds of kilometers (see hoof and mouth disease).

                      Masks/respirators or other means that prevent inhalation of these aerosols are what help prevent transmission. Properly fitted N95 masks work quite well at stopping aerosols.

                      People that continue to speak about the size of a virus in relation to mask pores sizes are simply showing their ignorance. Don't be ignorant.

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                      • #26
                        ERdept
                        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 4698

                        I tried telling this to my relatives on holidays..


                        I tell them even before any study came out... If i went into Covid patient rooms with the procedural mask, i'd get covid..

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                        • #27
                          deerdeerdeer
                          Veteran Member
                          • Sep 2014
                          • 2696

                          I want my refund for $9, I paid $10 for 50, used 10 in 2 years, to realize they are FREE if you just request for one everywhere..... Stupidity on my part for even buying the box , it even says it doesn't protect against CV-19, which pretty much led me to believe this isn't about health, its to keep people muzzled, demoralized, and also for states to obtain which states/countries/provinces are obeying bu visual interpretation of how many people are wearing mask..

                          .Whoever believes in these mask mandates, go paint a room with the biohazard suit, and cough, see if paint comes out..Virus particulates are about 20nm, paint is about 20 microns.

                          Nanometer A nanometer is 1000 times smaller than a micrometer. 1 micrometer (μm) = 1000 nanometers. For those who want to follow the science, well here it is. You still wanna jump up and down and scream about how its safe and effective? Enjoy breathing in CO2, along with germs trapped in a heated area (mouth), calling others idiot's, highly comical stuff.

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                          My math and research has been lacking, have not been practicing, please correct me if my conversion are wrong, been doing self learning crypto and stocks, I hate statistics, but whatever, gut gambling and rambling like a lucky degen might just work..
                          Last edited by deerdeerdeer; 12-05-2021, 10:49 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Tango_Down
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2017
                            • 1175

                            If this virus is so deadly can someone show me where all the bio-hazard bins are for used masks?

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                            • #29
                              deerdeerdeer
                              Veteran Member
                              • Sep 2014
                              • 2696

                              Originally posted by Tango_Down
                              If this virus is so deadly can someone show me where all the bio-hazard bins are for used masks?
                              Something I question very early on too. If they wanted to fool us, plexiglass and mask isn't the way, biohazard bins, reccomendation of N100 mask might haved worked. Plexiglass is super funny though, LOL...

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                              • #30
                                balgor
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2011
                                • 1553

                                Why post garbage from a dodgy website, when the study itself is readily available?

                                Impact of community masking on COVID-19: A cluster-randomized trial in Bangladesh

                                We conducted a cluster-randomized trial to measure the effect of community-level mask distribution and promotion on symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections in rural Bangladesh from November 2020 to April 2021 (N = 600 villages, N = 342,183 adults). We cross-randomized mask type (cloth vs. surgical) and promotion strategies at the village and household level. Proper mask-wearing increased from 13.3% in the control group to 42.3% in the intervention arm (adjusted percentage point difference = 0.29 [0.26, 0.31]). The intervention reduced symptomatic seroprevalence (adjusted prevalence ratio = 0.91 [0.82, 1.00]), especially among adults 60+ years in villages where surgical masks were distributed (adjusted prevalence ratio = 0.65 [0.45, 0.85]). Mask distribution and promotion was a scalable and effective method to reduce symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections.



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