Ivermectin

[Scota4570]

Bottom line is that the Government has no business telling what I must put in my body or what I am allowed put in my body. That is a decision I can make for myself.

My doctor must be free to prescribe what he thinks best. Government and insurance mandated treatment plans are not going to be correct for everyone. But here we are, socialized medicine with treatment and procedure protocols that must be followed. That is not practicing medicine. Given the restrictive procedures and formularies any idiot could play doctor and get the same result as an MD under the current restrictions

[theLBC]

Bottom line is that the Government has no business telling what I must put in my body or what I am allowed put in my body. That is a decision I can make for myself.

My doctor must be free to prescribe what he thinks best. Government and insurance mandated treatment plans are not going to be correct for everyone. But here we are, socialized medicine with treatment and procedure protocols that must be followed. That is not practicing medicine. Given the restrictive procedures and formularies any idiot could play doctor and get the same result as an MD under the current restrictions

yup!
and anyone that trusts this government or the media to tell the truth after what we have seen over the last few years might need to think about it a bit harder.

[cyphr02]

yup!
and anyone that trusts this government or the media to tell the truth after what we have seen over the last few years might need to think about it a bit harder.

So who can be trusted? What institution around today has never directly or indirectly let anybody down, ever? Why would you ever trust one drug company over another?

[theLBC]

So who can be trusted? What institution around today has never directly or indirectly let anybody down, ever? Why would you ever trust one drug company over another?

nobody protects us. they are all bought and paid for....

[sd_shooter]

Who We're 'they'?


Things changed with delta. Do you have reason to think think initial studies were inaccurate?

What did the research show on HCQ? We're still awaiting the results of the ivermectian studies.

I'm not finding the results of the Indian study on ziverdo. Do you have a link.

The 'initial studies' for the vaccine certainly had some "spin" applied to them. The vaunted "95%" is Relative Risk Reduction, it's a number that applies only to certain populations.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=25902508#post25902508

We're seeing that narrative falling apart in the real world. Israel sees 30-40% effectiveness.

[theLBC]

The 'initial studies' for the vaccine certainly had some "spin" applied to them. The vaunted "95%" is Relative Risk Reduction, it's a number that applies only to certain populations.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=25902508#post25902508

We're seeing that narrative falling apart in the real world. Israel sees 30-40% effectiveness.

a german study of over 10k people before vaccination found that 40% of them already had the wuflu and had no idea.
i don't believe the CDC or FDA is testing people before the clotshot, so up to 40% of their efficacy claims might be bullschiff.

they are vaxing people that already have natural immunity.

[stonefly-2]

They did do clinical trials for the vaccine and it was shown to be extremely effective against the original strain. I'm not exactly sure why you think it wasn't studied.

He meant "on humans".

[Libertarian777]

Uh oh, better not take any NSAIDS either as there are life threatening long term consequences to your GI track (not to mention your liver).

How about an apples to apples comparison? You referencing a daily use medication.

Also, what are the long term consequences of getting the virus natually? Where is the 18 month... or better yet 18 year study there?
HPV can cause cancer... Do we know that wu-flu won't cause cancer later in life? or a stress related flare up disease like chicken-pox/shingles?
I don't think that there is, but again, lets get real here when we talk about unknown unknowns, but more research has been done re: the effects of the jab than the long term effects of the virus.

1. There are warnings about using NSAIDS more than 10 days and especially not using over the max daily dosage due to liver damage. It's literally on the bottle and in the pamphlet.
2. It took 18 months before Vioxx issues were known even though it was 'approved'
3. Vioxx was a medication. It doesn't replicate. So the dose you take is the dose you have (yes daily dosing does imply it increases the concentration in you). The vaccines went from 2 shots to 3 shots in 8 months. The
vaccine has 40 trillion mRNA lipids in each injection. Those 40 trillion create trillions more spike proteins. Taking a NSAID or Vioxx today, doesn't mean i have 4x the amount of medication in my system tomorrow.
4. Current efficacy implies we'll be talking about a 4th shot by Feb next year, annual shots thereafter. If the serious adverse event rate is 0.6% the more shots you give the greater the probability people get affected.
5. Long term effects of the virus... there are 30+M people who recovered from covid. SOME have long-haul, most don't. There is no 18 month study on vaccinated folks and no possibility to do a long term study because the control group was vaccinated. The studies done on people who contracted the virus was... in people who get severe disease. There's no study I know of , of the 30M+ who recovered without issues.

This again is why I'm waiting on the Novavax vaccine. Unlike the mRNA vaccines it doesn't replicate and it uses fewer spike proteins than would be generated by the mRNA vaccines to achieve the same efficacy.

Yes there would be even less long term data on the Novavax, but the risk potential is lower due to the lower number of spike proteins you're exposed to.

Here's something else to think about. Doctors know that the key to the vaccine is to keep it in the muscle and that there IS risk if it circulates in your blood.
Ask anyone who got vaccinated if they aspirated the needle prior to injection to ensure it did not hit a blood vessel in the deltoid...

[theLBC]

[Term]

American journal of therapeutics

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/08000/ivermectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspx

"Conclusions:

Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally."


"Given the evidence of efficacy, safety, low cost, and current death rates, ivermectin is likely to have an impact on health and economic outcomes of the pandemic across many countries. Ivermectin is not a new and experimental drug with an unknown safety profile. It is a WHO “Essential Medicine” already used in several different indications, in colossal cumulative volumes. Corticosteroids have become an accepted standard of care in COVID-19, based on a single RCT of dexamethasone.1 If a single RCT is sufficient for the adoption of dexamethasone, then a fortiori the evidence of 2 dozen RCTs supports the adoption of ivermectin."



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[sd_shooter]

American journal of therapeutics

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/08000/ivermectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspx

Thanks! Added to my list of 'references' in my ivermectin HOWTO thread. Everyone should buy a batch from goodrx.com just in case they need it.

It's criminal that the FDA/CDC are aligned against this treatment and are actively campaigning against it (eg. the "Horse cream" ads on TV)

[theLBC]

[SPUTTER]

Looks like Japan is going to be onboard also.

https://trialsitenews.com/chairman-of-tokyo-metropolitan-medical-association-declares-during-surge-time-for-ivermectin-is-now/

[sd_shooter]

Meanwhile FDA in the USA is busy spreading misinformation. Someone should hang!

https://twitter.com/US_FDA/status/1429050070243192839?s=20

[ibanezfoo]

So the same folks who are terrified of the jab because it hasn't completed clinical trials...
( https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pres...vid-19-vaccine ) are pushing, yet again, another drug that has not been peer reviewed for efficacy in treating a virus. The mental gymnastics are truly top shelf.

There is nothing wrong with being scared of the jab... but don't kid yourselves that you are following logic or science. You should focus more on getting jacked and tan, and then you won't have to worry about it.

Except one has been around for years and the other was hastily concocted by politically controlled evil bastards with a history of offenses... But hey you weigh your life choices how you want.