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  • #2
    theLBC
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Oct 2017
    • 7244

    Originally posted by Scota4570
    “If you were wondering why Ivermectin was suppressed, it is because the agreement that countries had with Pfizer does not allow them to escape their contract, which states that even if a drug will be found to treat COVID-19, the contract cannot be voided.”

    https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org...ese-contracts/
    either way, it is disgusting that the FDA would publicly insult people that are using it and suggest that it is only for animals when it has been used to treat serious diseases in hundreds of millions of humans for many years.

    Discovered in the late-1970s, the pioneering drug ivermectin, a dihydro derivative of avermectin—originating solely from a single microorganism isolated at the Kitasato Intitute, Tokyo, Japan from Japanese soil—has had an immeasurably beneficial ...


    in fact, it should be illegal and they should all hang from the gallows.

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    • #3
      SoCal326
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2011
      • 1098

      This paper in Narure gives an interesting perspective as to why it isn't being recommended yet. The tldr is that the clinical trials aren't complete yet and previous studies confirming its effectiveness lacked scientific rigor so can't he trusted.





      Just wait for the studies to be completed. Then we'll know.

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      • #4
        theLBC
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
        CGN Contributor
        • Oct 2017
        • 7244

        Originally posted by SoCal326
        This paper in Narure gives an interesting perspective as to why it isn't being recommended yet. The tldr is that the clinical trials aren't complete yet and previous studies confirming its effectiveness lacked scientific rigor so can't he trusted.





        Just wait for the studies to be completed. Then we'll know.
        and yet the clinical trials for the clotshot have not been completed either, and they are still making it mandatory, even though it is increasing the infection rate and killing people. in fact, i heard that they abandoned the control group already, although i don't know if that is true.
        Last edited by theLBC; 08-24-2021, 8:19 AM.

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        • #5
          cyphr02
          Member
          • May 2008
          • 477

          So the same folks who are terrified of the jab because it hasn't completed clinical trials...
          ( https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pres...vid-19-vaccine ) are pushing, yet again, another drug that has not been peer reviewed for efficacy in treating a virus. The mental gymnastics are truly top shelf.

          There is nothing wrong with being scared of the jab... but don't kid yourselves that you are following logic or science. You should focus more on getting jacked and tan, and then you won't have to worry about it.

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          • #6
            SoCal326
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2011
            • 1098

            Originally posted by theLBC
            and yet the clinical trials for the clotshot have not been completed either, and they are still making it mandatory, even though it is increasing the infection rate and killing people. in fact, i heard that they abandoned the control group already, although i don't know if that is true.
            They did do clinical trials for the vaccine and it was shown to be extremely effective against the original strain. I'm not exactly sure why you think it wasn't studied.
            Last edited by SoCal326; 08-24-2021, 8:45 AM.

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            • #7
              cyphr02
              Member
              • May 2008
              • 477

              Originally posted by SoCal326
              They did do clinical trials for the vaccine and it was shown to be extremely effective against the original strain. I'm not exactly sure why you think it wasn't studied.
              If I were a betting man, I'd go with talk radio, or social media.

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              • #8
                theLBC
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                CGN Contributor
                • Oct 2017
                • 7244

                Originally posted by SoCal326
                They did do clinical trials for the vaccine and it was shown to be extremely effective against the original strain. I'm not exactly sure why you think it wasn't studied.
                the clinical trials for the clotshot don't end until 2023.

                they claimed it was 98% effective (it is not)
                they claimed it would prevent the spread (it does not)
                they claimed HCQ was deadly (it is not)
                they claimed ivermectin was only for farm animals (it is not).

                when are you going to stop believing their bullschiff?

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                • #9
                  Libertarian777
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 576

                  i posted this earlier.

                  Remember Vioxx? I was prescribed this post surgery once.
                  So it turns out Vioxx DOUBLES your stroke risk.
                  795,000 strokes a year in the USA, so if everyone took it (since we're mandating a medical injection for everyone) it would have added 800,000 strokes.

                  BUT, it took EIGHTEEN MONTHS to discover that continued use doubled risk, and it took up to a YEAR after you STOPPED taking it, for the risk to subside.



                  The 18month study for the mRNA vaccines are...uhnn.. pending.

                  The biggest thing to note though is that ivermectin is NOT a cure. It slows replication.
                  You can't give ivermectin as a hail mary pass, it won't save you (fluvoxamine / dexamethasone are used for treatment).

                  Its most effective in early treatment. A lot of these studies are trialing IVM in hospitalized patients, but no one is considering folks who contract covid and are told to stay at home until they're blue, and to present to the hospital when requiring ventilation (death care, not healthcare), is not an acceptable alternative.

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                  • #10
                    cyphr02
                    Member
                    • May 2008
                    • 477

                    Originally posted by el chivo
                    Ivermectin has been around many decades and it's safe to use. If not effective against Covid 19 or Covid 22 then what's the harm if your only option is to go on a vent?
                    Because its common side effects are fever & tachycardia, which aren't great for a body already fighting a virus... because if you do need to get hospitalized, it can cause unexpected drug interactions...

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                    • #11
                      theLBC
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Oct 2017
                      • 7244

                      Originally posted by Libertarian777
                      i posted this earlier.

                      Remember Vioxx? I was prescribed this post surgery once.
                      So it turns out Vioxx DOUBLES your stroke risk.
                      795,000 strokes a year in the USA, so if everyone took it (since we're mandating a medical injection for everyone) it would have added 800,000 strokes.

                      BUT, it took EIGHTEEN MONTHS to discover that continued use doubled risk, and it took up to a YEAR after you STOPPED taking it, for the risk to subside.



                      The 18month study for the mRNA vaccines are...uhnn.. pending.

                      The biggest thing to note though is that ivermectin is NOT a cure. It slows replication.
                      You can't give ivermectin as a hail mary pass, it won't save you (fluvoxamine / dexamethasone are used for treatment).

                      Its most effective in early treatment. A lot of these studies are trialing IVM in hospitalized patients, but no one is considering folks who contract covid and are told to stay at home until they're blue, and to present to the hospital when requiring ventilation (death care, not healthcare), is not an acceptable alternative.
                      they knew oxy was highly addictive, even as they pushed it as a safer and less addictive alternative.
                      how many americans have been hooked and overdosed? did anyone go to prison, or were those responsible able to pay a fine and keep most of their wealth?

                      Opioid-involved overdose deaths rose from 21,088 in 2010 to 47,600 in 2017 and remained steady in 2018 with 46,802 deaths. This was followed by a significant increase in 2019 to 49,860 overdose deaths


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                      • #12
                        SoCal326
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2011
                        • 1098

                        Originally posted by theLBC
                        the clinical trials for the clotshot don't end until 2023.

                        they claimed it was 98% effective (it is not)
                        they claimed it would prevent the spread (it does not)
                        they claimed HCQ was deadly (it is not)
                        they claimed ivermectin was only for farm animals (it is not).

                        when are you going to stop believing their bullschiff?


                        Who We're 'they'?


                        Things changed with delta. Do you have reason to think think initial studies were inaccurate?

                        What did the research show on HCQ? We're still awaiting the results of the ivermectian studies.

                        I'm not finding the results of the Indian study on ziverdo. Do you have a link.

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                        • #13
                          theLBC
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Oct 2017
                          • 7244

                          Originally posted by SoCal326
                          Who We're 'they'?


                          Things changed with delta. Do you have reason to think think initial studies were inaccurate?

                          What did the research show on HCQ? We're still awaiting the results of the ivermectian studies.

                          I'm not finding the results of the Indian study on ziverdo. Do you have a link.
                          106 ivermectin COVID-19 controlled studies. 84% improvement for prophylaxis, p < 0.0001. 62% improvement for early treatment, p < 0.0001. 40% improvement for late treatment, p < 0.0001. c19ivm ivmmeta

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                          • #14
                            cyphr02
                            Member
                            • May 2008
                            • 477

                            Originally posted by Libertarian777



                            Cox-2 drugs were designed to be safer replacements for NSAIDS, including aspirin and naproxen, which can cause deadly gastrointestinal bleeding.
                            Uh oh, better not take any NSAIDS either as there are life threatening long term consequences to your GI track (not to mention your liver).

                            How about an apples to apples comparison? You referencing a daily use medication.

                            Also, what are the long term consequences of getting the virus natually? Where is the 18 month... or better yet 18 year study there?
                            HPV can cause cancer... Do we know that wu-flu won't cause cancer later in life? or a stress related flare up disease like chicken-pox/shingles?
                            I don't think that there is, but again, lets get real here when we talk about unknown unknowns, but more research has been done re: the effects of the jab than the long term effects of the virus.

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                            • #15
                              GlockN'Roll
                              Veteran Member
                              • May 2015
                              • 3754

                              Originally posted by theLBC
                              "Conclusion
                              Ivermectin is an effective treatment for COVID-19.
                              The probability that an ineffective treatment generated results as positive as the 63 studies to date is estimated to be 1 in 1 trillion.

                              As expected for an effective treatment, early treatment is more successful,
                              with an estimated reduction of 72% in the effect measured using random effects meta-analysis (RR 0.28 [0.18-0.45]).
                              37% and 96% lower mortality is observed for early treatment and prophylaxis (RR 0.63 [0.38-1.04] and 0.04 [0.00-0.59]).
                              Statistically significant improvements are seen for mortality, hospitalization, recovery, cases, and viral clearance.
                              The consistency of positive results across a wide variety of heterogeneous studies is remarkable,
                              with 92% of the 63 studies reporting positive effects (27 statistically significant in isolation).
                              Real Californian...

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