Can we expect Mandatory Vaccines for everyone..?

[stix213]

I'm expecting once the vaccines get full FDA approval, there will be mandatory vaccinations for a wide variety of places. The most common will be schools.

[TrappedinCalifornia]

My personal doctor attempted to foist it on me. I said I'll think about it.

I've been fortunate, so far, in that regard. I've been asked if I was vaccinated, but the doctor hasn't pushed me, yet. Then again, the doctor and I have come to a bit of an understanding that I will take recommendations under advisement, but I'm the one who decides on the course of treatment.

I'm expecting once the vaccines get full FDA approval, there will be mandatory vaccinations for a wide variety of places. The most common will be schools.

Unfortunately, this is what I see as the future regarding mandatory vaccination. I'm extremely dubious, as are many true 'experts,' that it can or will be mandated by the Federal Government. However, I do see States and private entities creating their own 'mandates' as they relate to access. Why?

States have argued, from the beginning, that THEY are the level of Government empowered to deal with this. Remember the backlash Trump received for even suggesting Federal intervention from Democrat governors such as Cuomo and even Newsom? Thus, as suggested above, it may come down to a version of what we've already seen; i.e., an hodge-podge of 'standards' across the U.S. In that sense, it might potentially be settled judicially if such a mash-up negatively impacts interstate commerce, travel, etc.

Oh boy. Yet another epoch of: "Should the judiciary be establishing public policy and is it even Constitutionally empowered to do so?"

[SPUTTER]

I'm expecting once the vaccines get full FDA approval, there will be mandatory vaccinations for a wide variety of places. The most common will be schools.

That's not going to go over easy with parents and just imagine when children start getting injured or end up dying? I could see many parents pulling their kids out of school.
Mandatory is going to be the tipping point. These shots already have a bad rap so bending over and taking it isn't going to an option for many.
Approval is meaningless. Should have been halted months ago.

[LBDamned]

The harder they push, the more people will reject.

[elSquid]

The harder they push, the more people will reject.

I've heard that before...



of course, the question is: can the rebels withstand...the vaccination droid?





-- Michael

[bigmike82]

Mandatory vaccines in general are going to be a non-starter. Won't happen, and shouldn't happen. If some local government were to attempt to enforce it, it would end up in the Supreme Court with an overturning of that decision. The government can not, and should not, force you to get a vaccine as a normal citizen.

[the_tunaman]

As to the OP question, good f’n luck.

[elSquid]

Mandatory vaccines in general are going to be a non-starter. Won't happen, and shouldn't happen. If some local government were to attempt to enforce it, it would end up in the Supreme Court with an overturning of that decision. The government can not, and should not, force you to get a vaccine as a normal citizen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905), was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court upheld the authority of states to enforce compulsory vaccination laws. The Court's decision articulated the view that individual liberty is not absolute and is subject to the police power of the state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zucht_v._King

Zucht v. King, 260 U.S. 174 (1922), was a case in which the United States Supreme Court found that the school district of San Antonio, Texas, could constitutionally exclude unvaccinated students from attending the schools in the district.[1]

This Supreme Court case has been used a justification for public school immunization requirement laws in use today.

https://reason.com/volokh/2021/07/19/court-refuses-to-block-indiana-universitys-student-vaccination-requirement/

[bigmike82]

SCOTUS has already said that states can mandate ( and delegate authority for ) vaccines. It’s been settled law for 100+ years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905), was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court upheld the authority of states to enforce compulsory vaccination laws. The Court's decision articulated the view that individual liberty is not absolute and is subject to the police power of the state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zucht_v._King

Zucht v. King, 260 U.S. 174 (1922), was a case in which the United States Supreme Court found that the school district of San Antonio, Texas, could constitutionally exclude unvaccinated students from attending the schools in the district.[1]

This Supreme Court case has been used a justification for public school immunization requirement laws in use today.

I’m not endorsing the decisions, I’m pointing out what SCOTUS has said so far. Unlikely to overturn.

That’s not to say that there aren’t lawsuits in process…

https://reason.com/volokh/2021/07/19/court-refuses-to-block-indiana-universitys-student-vaccination-requirement/

OTOH, there may be carve outs. Can states mandate vaccines for people that have already been infected and have roughly equivalent immunity? That would be an interesting case!

— Michael

What was true 100 years ago may not be true now. From a SCOTUS perspective, how could a government force vaccines your average everyday citizen? What law or constitutional provision would allow that?

Remember ... we're not talking about kids or military members. On what grounds could the gov't force the average citizen to get a vaccine?

[elSquid]

What was true 100 years ago may not be true now. From a SCOTUS perspective, how could a government force vaccines your average everyday citizen? What law or constitutional provision would allow that?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/stare_decisis

[Sousuke]

the US used to do forced sterilizations, the Nazis got the idea from us

1920s US Eugenics movement was scary.....


Some positive news. Cases in the UK may have peaked. Need a few weeks to see trend, but obviously the UK is roughly a month ahead of the US in terms of the delta variant.

[Epaphroditus]

If the FDA fast tracks approval without long term longitudinal studies for this vax then why not the next vax or any vax? Why do they even exist if they aren't doing what they are supposed to be doing?

[anthonyca]

If the FDA fast tracks approval without long term longitudinal studies for this vax then why not the next vax or any vax? Why do they even exist if they aren't doing what they are supposed to be doing?

This is a scary and inevitable outcome if the FDA pushes these through in the fastest approval process in history. We will have dozens more mandatory shots.

[Fear58]

Remember when the New Years Eve balldrop happened in 2020 and everyone thought COVID was over? Lol we just getting started.

[theLBC]