serious question

[Bralowe]

Yeah, it's hard to get much traction on anything technical.

I agree with your point, I don't believe anything Dr. Fauci did was aimed at germ warfare -- but there is certainly a dual use to these technologies. And that raises an interesting possibility.

What I'm thinking of is the partnership between NASA and Roscosmos in ISS development. What became the International Space Station was originally an all-US effort: "Space Station Freedom," or "Fred," and later Alpha, followed by a minor diplomatic snafu when Alan Shepherd, first ISS commander, referred to it as Alpha in early stages of commissioning. There was no thought at first to go international, particularly with an adversary, and on technologies that have obvious dual-use as they support missile technologies, ground control, and associated things like radar and encryption.

But the decision to involve the Russians in the wake of Soviet collapse was made because of the dual-use. We wanted to keep civilian uses, rather than military, profitable in Russia so their scientists wouldn't freelance or push for military funding. It also gave us a clean excuse to look over their development.

I wonder... I have no evidence for this at all, but I speculate that Dr. Fauci may have been hoping for something similar, wanting to get insight into the rapidly evolving Chinese biotech sector, infectious disease research in particular.

Keep in mind, this comes from a perspective of not believing China released deliberately. I think they may well have caused it but I see it as a profound national embarrassment for them instead of some sneaky attack.

In any case, what should have happened, regardless of the motivation, is far more oversight into laboratory safety. Lapses of this type are all too common, though.

Disclaimer: Not speaking for NASA, ISS, or any space agency in any way. All opinions mine alone.

[Bralowe]

This is a together thread. I'll share.

[TrappedinCalifornia]

All patent applications are scanned for disclosures that might affect national security, including anything that might be of use to the military. Fauci has a number of patents. Did Fauci intend that a bioweapon be created? What difference does it make if you know that any invention will be reviewed and grabbed by the military if they think it could be useful as a bioweapon?

So... You would prefer no patent be applied for and nothing be 'invented' if it might also be "reviewed and grabbed by the military if they think it could useful as a" weapon or might impact national security in some manner?

On the flip side, all inventors and/or patent holders should be held criminally liable if the military 'grabs' their invention and uses it as a weapon or for military purposes?

The point is, just like with guns, once you go down that road, it's not going to stop with 'medical research' such as viruses which, as I pointed out, are useful in the development of vaccines/treatments.

[subscriber]

When you post absolute BS like this, you lose all creditability and completely expose your bias.

Quote a credible source or STFU. And no, Liz Wheeler & Tucker Carlson aren't credible.

Fauci and associates applied for patents related to SARS-CoV-2 (covid-19). These patents were granted before 2019 - well before the virus causing the pandemic had been named. That should seem a little odd to most people. "Biased people" would consider it a smoking bat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uZzoznjjKg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2CsNqHFx68&t=386s

If you think the patents are made up, type the numbers in here: https://patents.google.com/


My bias is correct. You just have not realized it yet. You can't handle the truth. Easier for you to believe a stack of lies...

[TrappedinCalifornia]

Fauci and associates applied for patents related to SARS-CoV-2 (covid-19). These patents were granted before 2019 - well before the virus causing the pandemic had been named. That should seem a little odd to most people. "Biased people" would consider it a smoking bat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uZzoznjjKg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2CsNqHFx68&t=386s

If you think the patents are made up, type the numbers in here: https://patents.google.com/


My bias is correct. You just have not realized it yet. You can't handle the truth. Easier for you to believe a stack of lies...

Nothing in those videos is inconsistent with what I have laid out.

The closest they come to 'bioweapon,' however, is that how this was done MAY be violations of law involved, including, potentially, the ban on biological weapons (although that takes some interpretation). Nothing I saw in those videos comes close to establishing or even accusing Fauci, et al. of "developing a biological weapon." In fact, at the beginning of the first video, your host notes that part of their job includes where the lines are "blurred" in terms of 'biological or chemical' weapons. The problem is, at this is part of the controversial aspect of gain-of-function research, the type of research involved in the development of vaccines/treatments, by definition, 'blurs the line.'

The best you've done with your videos is help establish a fact that everyone has known all along; i.e., that there is BIG MONEY involved in this. Additionally, all the videos do is suggest the possibility that some 'corners were cut' (including legalities) in the interest of...? Anyone who didn't already suspect THAT simply has blinders.

I believe what was being referenced is the BIAS you happily acknowledge; i.e., that it is a bioweapon. Remember, a 'bias' is a prejudice and that is a preconceived opinion which is based, not on 'knowledge, thought, or reason,' and, therefore, is often considered unreasonable.

Insofar as when they applied for the patent, it doesn't seem 'odd' at all. As your own video acknowledges, it was a 'new' and, in some ways, an 'ideal' virus for study/research. It doesn't take cynicism or paranoia to realize that a Government agency may want to 'control' something like that, for a variety of reasons.

Is a bioweapon one possibility? Yes, bearing in mind that almost anything in that realm can be turned into or utilized as one. But, you've got a long way to go in establishing that's what Fauci and the Government intended as opposed to, say, something like an "universal antiviral" or finding it of use to...

...get insight into the rapidly evolving Chinese biotech sector, infectious disease research in particular...

...or similar. Based on the evidence we have, including your own videos, it is more likely that it is something which got loose from the Wuhan lab and, as a result, accelerated the vaccines/treatments being researched/sought. Does that 'acceleration' speak to potentially problematic and 'unscientific' approaches and even to 'political abuse?' Absolutely.

Do you have enough to potentially seek civil damages against Fauci, et al.? Given that civil court requires a 'preponderance of evidence'...

What is Preponderance of the Evidence?

In a civil case, the plaintiff must meet their evidentiary standard, and for some cases, that standard is called the the preponderance of the evidence. The plaintiff must provide evidence that shows their claims are more likely than not. The evidence presented in court must prove that the proposition has a 50 percent chance, or higher, of being true. This standard is used in civil cases, as it is lower than other standards (which would be necessary for a criminal issue).

You might, particularly given the controversial (as it relates to the debates surrounding a 'proper scientific approach' to such research; especially the necessary safety precautions); but, you still have to get around 'immunity' and reasonable doubt. In fact, such is why some politicians are now looking at opening up the courts to such lawsuits; i.e., pandering to voters and lawyers.

Do you have enough to be screaming bioweapon and get a criminal conviction on that basis? Probably not without your "biased people" and that's what voir dire is about. But, again, you have not established or even provided a 'smoking bat' for it to have been intended as a bioweapon.

[subscriber]

TrappedinCalifornia,

Thanks for your balanced assessment.

Consider this: Any person who produces proof sufficient to convict Fauci and his wealthy buddies of weaponizing a virus, extorting money in the form of experimental vaccines, and facilitating the transfer wealth and power, is a dead man.

More specifically; no one with such proof would first publish it on a forum such as this. Anyone who puts at risk the transfer of trillions of dollars will have a number of very wealthy enemies. Ones that will arrange an "accident" or "suicide".

The only way you are going to see absolute proof on this forum is after the arrest and at the arraignment. Fauci, Gates and number of others will not be arrested during or after the commie power grab that is in progress. Who can present evidence and make it stick. Nobody on this forum. Certainly nobody that is in on it and expects to be paid off.


At best I am moving past gaps between slats in a fence, seeing only flashes of what lies on the other side. The whole picture includes other snippets, such as Fauci declaring with great confidence, that we "would see a surprise outbreak within the next two years". Gates' sponsored Event 201 was about how to handle the outbreak of a respiratory virus. Curiously, that event took place immediately before the virus "escaped".


The fact that the World Economic Forum is using covid-19 as the excuse to accelerate their planned "reset of capitalism" is a pivotal part of the overall picture:

The World Economic Forum describes covid-19 as a "once in a lifetime opportunity to reset capitalism". The WEF's chant of "build back better" implies removing or destroying the current system, so it is not in the way. This makes these clowns and all of their puppets, people that do not actually have our best interests in mind. Stronger language may be appropriate.

Biden has adopted build back better as his slogan. He and the other premiers that met at the G7, and at the Davos WEF meeting, often chant that phrase (videos below). They are nothing but puppets that work for, and as globalists. They are willing to sacrifice the interest of the legal residents of their own countries on the alter of global equity, and to "save the planet".

"Climate change" and claims of "systemic racism" are ginned up to make the masses feel guilty. And to silence dissent against global socialism, that once implemented will manifest as global slavery for the masses.

Covid apparently justifies funneling huge sums of "relief money". This, after placing the majority of people and companies into financial distress. Achieved by forcing the healthy into quarantine and preventing them from earning a living to pay their bills. A large part of the money so "generously" distributed is not going to covid relief. Rather, it is being funneled to politicians and WEF lackeys, to implement the "great reset".


To understand who the WEF puppets are and how they are implementing global socialism, take a look the collection of short videos below:


Firstly, the slogan, "build back better" originates with the world economic forum - a self appointed body that is trying to dictate our future on a global scale via spineless "leaders":

From the world economic forum's own web page:

"To build back better, we must reinvent capitalism. Here's how":

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/07/to-build-back-better-we-must-reinvent-capitalism-heres-how/

One way to recognize anyone promoting globalism is that they keep using the slogan, "build back better": (coincidentally looks like 6uild 6ack 6etter). "Re-imagine" and "reinvent" are also often repeated as code for, first destroy the current system. Hence the motto "order out of chaos".



'Build Back Better': Who said the catchphrase first?



The one-world govt is being implemented via these clowns.
Saving the planet is the official religion:



Public head of the Medusa:




Explaining Great Reset implementation:




International perspective on the Reset of Capitalism:




"Reset" required to save the planet:





Coincidences are not a reliable mechanism to ensure the transfer of wealth and power. Considering the scale of what is flux, in the US and globally, and the catalyst that is covid-19, looks like one hell of a coincidence.

[TrappedinCalifornia]

...At best I am moving past gaps between slats in a fence, seeing only flashes of what lies on the other side. The whole picture includes other snippets...

Coincidences are not a reliable mechanism to ensure the transfer of wealth and power. Considering the scale of what is flux, in the US and globally, and the catalyst that is covid-19, looks like one hell of a coincidence.

In essence then, what you are providing isn't 'proof,' but an argument where you are guessing, speculating, and making conclusions based on premises which reflect your bias. While you and others might see the argument as 'valid' or 'sound' or even 'truthful,' without that 'proof,' others might legitimately see it as...

Sir...

I don't mean to alarm you, but...

I have reason to believe there are CLOWNS in your house!

When you post absolute BS like this, you lose all creditability and completely expose your bias.

Quote a credible source or STFU. And no, Liz Wheeler & Tucker Carlson aren't credible.

Some of the things you point to have raised questions from myself and others. In moments where I care to go, at least partway, down that rabbit hole, I can see how such things could be put together in a manner similar to what you are proposing. But, it all still amounts to defending an argument that is based more on guesswork and speculation than evidence.

By the way, 'coincidence' is not a problem unless you are LeRoy Jethro Gibbs and adhere to Rule #39... There is no such thing as a coincidence. Of course, if that's the case, then you also have to remember Rule #51... Sometimes you're wrong.

In this instance, I prefer Ian Fleming's take on coincidence; particularly given that Fleming was an actual naval intelligence officer. In the book Goldfinger... ""

Even at that, however, you've still got a long way to go in making your case to those who aren't already predisposed to your premise(s) and claiming that 'proof' isn't possible (no matter how rational/legitimate/logical such a claim might or might not be) isn't going to satisfy and is likely to instill further incredulity.

[subscriber]

"Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, the third time it’s enemy action."

Exactly.

Even at that, however, you've still got a long way to go in making your case to those who aren't already predisposed to your premise(s) and claiming that 'proof' isn't possible (no matter how rational/legitimate/logical such a claim might or might not be) isn't going to satisfy and is likely to instill further incredulity.

I did not come here to satisfy anyone. Rule #69

[SPUTTER]

Human beings are a special species made in God's image. In order for these great reset proponents to be successful at enslaving mankind they have a plan to integrate us with machines. This is where "vaccines passports" come into play. Once that system is accepted by people, they will be able to inject you with the technology that will allow them to control you through a grid. Yeah it sounds crazy I know but that's what the 4th industrial revolution is about and they openly talk about it.

[theduracellbigd]

This thread has gotten really deep, I think we call it the Illumanati hijack.

[theduracellbigd]

Human beings are a special species made in God's image. In order for these great reset proponents to be successful at enslaving mankind they have a plan to integrate us with machines. This is where "vaccines passports" come into play. Once that system is accepted by people, they will be able to inject you with the technology that will allow them to control you through a grid. Yeah it sounds crazy I know but that's what the 4th industrial revolution is about and they openly talk about it.

Dang Sputter you went real deep

[LBDamned]

It only works with cooperation.

Free will isn't taken - its given away.

[subscriber]

It only works with cooperation.

Free will isn't taken - its given away.

Yes, but it is easier to persuade people who are desperate or afraid.

"So, make them desperate and afraid." And it came to pass....

[SPUTTER]

Dang Sputter you went real deep

Not at all. There's an enormous amount of information out there regarding this subject, you can decide to bury your head in the sand about it, that's how some people cope.
There's two ways of looking at this. You believe that this about a virus and institutions like the CDC and the pharmaceutical companies motivations are benevolent or their motivations are malevolent. It's clear to me, that it's the latter. Unfortunately, I think these current crop of injections serve a nefarious purpose that will eventually reveal itself. If the effort was truly a benevolent one, adverse effects from the injections would be investigated, there would be no talk about vaccine passports and the state of emergency that politicians are using to circumvent the law would be lifted. Not to mention the other things like censorship and the suppression of alternative medical treatments.. There are just too many signs that point to the wrong direction.
Change my mind.

[TrappedinCalifornia]

...I did not come here to satisfy anyone. Rule #69

So where does that leave the conversation and your assertions?

I mean, Rule #69 is... Never trust a woman who doesn't trust her man.

Thus, if we're never supposed to trust you since you don't trust us, it kinda leaves us in a position similar to that of a certain episode of a 1960's television series...