serious question

[chrisw]

So my incidental data... my mother in law (80 yrs) and her husband (86 yrs) both just contracted the coof from my sister in law who lives in their basement and has been sick going on 7 days. My sister in law thought she would be safe from it because she takes HCQ regularly for a form of traveling arthritis and both my mother in law and her husband were vaccinated a couple months ago.

So my observations: the vaccines don't work and HCQ is not a prophylactic.

My mother in laws husband was admitted to the hospital this morning. He has a pacemaker and a few other health issues... I hope for her sake they don't intubate him.

I'm sorry to hear that. Best wishes to you and your family.

I am currious, has this changed your opinion / thoughts about the vax?

[mshill]

I'm sorry to hear that. Best wishes to you and your family.

I am currious, has this changed your opinion / thoughts about the vax?

I had the coof back in December so I will never get the jab. Even if I had not had it I would be very weary about getting the vax. I have always wondered why they have to push it so hard to get people to take it (advertising, lotteries, free donuts and beer). The only thing that changed is now I know that the vax can't protect you.

[five.five-six]

does anyone even read the wall of texts?

they need to use PM... the one-upmanship of who can write the longest post is nauseating.

[Oceanbob]

So my incidental data... my mother in law (80 yrs) and her husband (86 yrs) both just contracted the coof from my sister in law who lives in their basement and has been sick going on 7 days. My sister in law thought she would be safe from it because she takes HCQ regularly for a form of traveling arthritis and both my mother in law and her husband were vaccinated a couple months ago.

So my observations: the vaccines don't work and HCQ is not a prophylactic.

My mother in laws husband was admitted to the hospital this morning. He has a pacemaker and a few other health issues... I hope for her sake they don't intubate him.

[chrisw]

LOL

[foxtrotuniformlima]

I might not understand how the 95% vax efficacy numbers were calculated. What I do understand is that Fauci funded gain of function research (weaponization) of covid at the Wuhan lab. As Fauci is also the one pushing vaxxes against the virus he had weaponized, I don't trust him, or anyone connected with him.

When you post absolute BS like this, you lose all creditability and completely expose your bias.

Quote a credible source or STFU. And no, Liz Wheeler & Tucker Carlson aren't credible.

[SanDiego619]

When you post absolute BS like this, you lose all creditability and completely expose your bias.

Quote a credible source or STFU. And no, Liz Wheeler & Tucker Carlson aren't credible.

Fauci funded the wuhan lab to do research that was not allowed in America. I thought everyone knew that by now.

[LBDamned]

Fauci funded the wuhan lab to do research that was not allowed in America. I thought everyone knew that by now.

Everyone does know.

Agenda kooks ignore or lie.

[sd_shooter]

When you post absolute BS like this, you lose all creditability and completely expose your bias.

Quote a credible source or STFU. And no, Liz Wheeler & Tucker Carlson aren't credible.

We know, we know.... the wuflu came from some bat soup that hadn't been completely cooked. *yawn*

(Oh don't bother citing stories, anecdotes, studies, peer-reviewed papers... We just all KNOW this in our bones. Everyone knows. It's truth.)

[stonefly-2]

When you post absolute BS like this, you lose all creditability and completely expose your bias.

Quote a credible source or STFU. And no, Liz Wheeler & Tucker Carlson aren't credible.

Try to protect your own peace of mind and tranquility as the realization sinks in.
This is only a small part and I worry for the effect to wellbeing I've been seeing.

"I's easier to fool a man than to convince him he has been fooled"

M. Twain

[TrappedinCalifornia]

...I might not understand how the 95% vax efficacy numbers were calculated. What I do understand is that Fauci funded gain of function research (weaponization) of covid at the Wuhan lab. As Fauci is also the one pushing vaxxes against the virus he had weaponized, I don't trust him, or anyone connected with him...

When you post absolute BS like this, you lose all creditability and completely expose your bias.

Quote a credible source or STFU. And no, Liz Wheeler & Tucker Carlson aren't credible.

Fauci funded the wuhan lab to do research that was not allowed in America. I thought everyone knew that by now.

I'm not sure that his dispute with what was posted had to do with Fauci providing funding. Such has been fairly well established and Fauci has admitted to the funding, even while denying his intent was 'gain of function' research or the 'type' of gain of function research being referenced. (There's some 'debate' in the industry as to exactly what constitutes "gain of function" research or, more accurately, when it becomes 'controversial;' which is why a 3-year moratorium was placed on it in the U.S.)

I suspect, though he can speak for himself, that the issue surrounds "weaponization." There seems to be a cadre on this site who are following talking heads/blog posters who don't fully understand "gain of function" research and seem to equate it with "bioweapons" solely. Can it be used to such ends? Yes. Was that Fauci's intent? Most likely not. Such would send us down a truly bottomless rabbit hole that makes for good copy, clicks, and endless posts; but, there is simply no evidence for it.

Instead, the primary purpose of gain of function research within the context Fauci was most likely pursuing it was noted last month in Scientific American...

Why Scientists Tweak Lab Viruses to Make Them More Contagious

calls for the investigation of a SARS-CoV-2 lab spillover as one of several possible explanations for the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic. He points to the difficulties of studying viruses for the development of vaccines and treatments without doing experiments in a mouse or in other nonhuman animals.

Note the part I placed in bold.

As I have documented, the 'vaccines and treatments' being pursued weren't necessarily for COVID-19 and actually predated that virus by years.

[stonefly-2]

As I have documented, the 'vaccines and treatments' being pursued weren't necessarily for COVID-19 and actually predated that virus by years.

Lacking only a pandemic to become politically and monetarily valuable.


When high rise condos are built on sandy soil there need not be proven the intent for people to die for responsibility to be fixed.

[as_rocketman]

There seems to be a cadre on this site who are following talking heads/blog posters who don't fully understand "gain of function" research and seem to equate it with "bioweapons" solely. Can it be used to such ends? Yes. Was that Fauci's intent? Most likely not. Such would send us down a truly bottomless rabbit hole that makes for good copy, clicks, and endless posts; but, there is simply no evidence for it.

Yeah, it's hard to get much traction on anything technical.

I agree with your point, I don't believe anything Dr. Fauci did was aimed at germ warfare -- but there is certainly a dual use to these technologies. And that raises an interesting possibility.

What I'm thinking of is the partnership between NASA and Roscosmos in ISS development. What became the International Space Station was originally an all-US effort: "Space Station Freedom," or "Fred," and later Alpha, followed by a minor diplomatic snafu when Alan Shepherd, first ISS commander, referred to it as Alpha in early stages of commissioning. There was no thought at first to go international, particularly with an adversary, and on technologies that have obvious dual-use as they support missile technologies, ground control, and associated things like radar and encryption.

But the decision to involve the Russians in the wake of Soviet collapse was made because of the dual-use. We wanted to keep civilian uses, rather than military, profitable in Russia so their scientists wouldn't freelance or push for military funding. It also gave us a clean excuse to look over their development.

I wonder... I have no evidence for this at all, but I speculate that Dr. Fauci may have been hoping for something similar, wanting to get insight into the rapidly evolving Chinese biotech sector, infectious disease research in particular.

Keep in mind, this comes from a perspective of not believing China released deliberately. I think they may well have caused it but I see it as a profound national embarrassment for them instead of some sneaky attack.

In any case, what should have happened, regardless of the motivation, is far more oversight into laboratory safety. Lapses of this type are all too common, though.

Disclaimer: Not speaking for NASA, ISS, or any space agency in any way. All opinions mine alone.

[TrappedinCalifornia]

...I wonder... I have no evidence for this at all, but I speculate that Dr. Fauci may have been hoping for something similar, wanting to get insight into the rapidly evolving Chinese biotech sector, infectious disease research in particular.

Keep in mind, this comes from a perspective of not believing China released deliberately. I think they may well have caused it but I see it as a profound national embarrassment for them instead of some sneaky attack.

In any case, what should have happened, regardless of the motivation, is far more oversight into laboratory safety. Lapses of this type are all too common, though...

That's another, plausible potentiality. Just like my speculation regarding Fauci, et al. being in pursuit of their "Holy Grail," an 'universal antiviral.'

Insofar as lab safety, I agree and have said so. As an example, from 2015...



From Nature, 27 January 2020... US officials revisit rules for disclosing risky disease experiments

...The discussion is the latest chapter in a long-standing debate about the value of potentially dangerous biological research. In 2014, after a series of accidents involving mishandled pathogens at the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the NIH announced that it would stop funding gain-of-function research into certain virusesthreatened necessary flu-surveillance and vaccine research...

As I've said before, I'm not clear on the timing of the funding Fauci approved. It would be interesting, however, to correlate it with the moratorium. It would also be interesting to be privy to the internal discussions related to the controversial aspects, the risk/reward evaluation, and the decision to use Chinese facilities to pursue the research vis a vis both. It might provide some clarity.

I agree that "saving face" is likely the more plausible explanation for the Chinese lack of transparency.

[UCT]

I suspect, though he can speak for himself, that the issue surrounds "weaponization." There seems to be a cadre on this site who are following talking heads/blog posters who don't fully understand "gain of function" research and seem to equate it with "bioweapons" solely. Can it be used to such ends? Yes. Was that Fauci's intent? Most likely not. Such would send us down a truly bottomless rabbit hole that makes for good copy, clicks, and endless posts; but, there is simply no evidence for it.

All patent applications are scanned for disclosures that might affect national security, including anything that might be of use to the military. Fauci has a number of patents. Did Fauci intend that a bioweapon be created? What difference does it make if you know that any invention will be reviewed and grabbed by the military if they think it could be useful as a bioweapon?