serious question

[SanDiego619]

Turn off the TV and let go of the fear.

It's just the flu.

[SPUTTER]

So you don't believe in the binomial distribution??

There are a few things we need to refine with this stuff, sure, but there is no doubt whatsoever of vaccine efficacy.

I'm not concerned about the "delta variant," that's mostly newspaper confusion. Early studies confirm the expected result that vaccination is also proof against this particular strain. Someday the virus may evolve a significant escape, but it's not expected given the low mutation rates and the highly conserved nature of the mRNA region used as a vaccine template.

It takes 10+ years to prove a vaccine safe and effective. (It's already unsafe).

[as_rocketman]

It takes 10+ years to prove a vaccine safe and effective. (It's already unsafe).

I'm perfectly comfortable with you withholding your personal certification of approval until 2031.

[SPUTTER]

It wouldn't be my certification of approval, it would be the approval of independent scientists who have analyzed data acquired over a number of years. That's how this is supposed to work.

[as_rocketman]

It wouldn't be my certification of approval, it would be the approval of independent scientists who have analyzed data acquired over a number of years. That's how this is supposed to work.

Wasn't aware that you chaired an immunology regulatory agency. Why didn't you inform us before?

[SPUTTER]

Time to put those blinders on.

[SanDiego619]

Time to put those blinders on.

[ATTACH]1025221[/ATTACH]

What a great vaccine.

[SPUTTER]

^ You should read the the covid vaccinated subreddit, it's overflowing with salt and regret. And it used to be pro covid vaccine...not anymore.

[subscriber]

Methods section has the answers

Thanks

[as_rocketman]

Time to put those blinders on.

I don't think you ever took them off. I spent quite a lot of time showing you exactly what percentage of vaccinees can still be affected, and it's a few percent. This number is wholly consistent with expectations.

It's gotten so bad that even the press is talking down to folks like you...

Regardless, let’s put the 3,907 hospitalizations and 750 deaths in proper perspective. Over 4,000 may sound like a large number when counting something like the number of marmots in your bed. Certainly any death is tragic. But consider the fact that over 150 million people in U.S. have already been fully vaccinated in U.S. Doing a quick calculation with your abacus and your fingers and toes will reveal that the 4,115 cases constitute less than 0.003% of all fully vaccinated people in the U.S. Compare that with the measured effectiveness of the Covid-19 vaccine, which has ranged from about 70 percent to 95 plus percent. That means that at least 5% of the time a vaccine won’t be able to prevent Covid-19 after exposure to the virus. As I have emphasized before, nothing in life is perfect, with the possible exception of avocado toast.

Now I don't necessarily approve of the snark, but I understand it.

[stonefly-2]

^ You should read the the covid vaccinated subreddit, it's overflowing with salt and regret. And it used to be pro covid vaccine...not anymore.

The worm has turned.

[five.five-six]

I don't think you ever took them off. I spent quite a lot of time showing you exactly what percentage of vaccinees can still be affected, and it's a few percent. This number is wholly consistent with expectations.

It's gotten so bad that even the press is talking down to folks like you...



Now I don't necessarily approve of the snark, but I understand it.

[SPUTTER]

Well so much for immunity.

[subscriber]

[ATTACH]1025249[/ATTACH]

Well so much for immunity.

Source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/vaccina...ak-11624624326

[Sousuke]

Just saw this article a few minutes ago.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/vaccinated-people-dying-delta-variant-104813911.html

I did a quick breakdown. You have 109 over 50s dying of the delta variant. of those 109, 50 were fully vaccinated. That sounds bad but then I did the math on the population.

Roughly 85% of the over 50 crowd has been vaccinated. That means there were 69 deaths for 15% of that population vs 50 for 85%.

If we assume there are 10 million people over the age of 50 (guessing here with a nice round figure) thats 50 per 8.5 million vs 69 per 1.5 million.

Also keep in mind that the vast majority of the population has the Oxford jab which is slightly inferior to the mRNA versions.