serious question

[LBDamned]

Logically an unvaccinated person would only pose a threat to another unvaccinated person.

The vaccine was meant to protect the person who got the shot. I also suppose since the symptoms would be less on a vaccinated person if they caught covid, the spread would theoretically slow, thus reducing overall infections. The more people vaccinated, the slower the spread and hopefully a full stop.

This is the only reasoning I could gather.

That's an endless cycle... millions of unvaxxed are fine - its been over 18 months... the theory either goes on forever, or is flawed.

[chrisw]

LB- I understand this.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...50&postcount=3

There's really nothing else.

I guess I am asking for more detail from those who believe the unvaxed pose a risk

[chrisw]

Again, I hear it daily. The threat posed by those unvaxed. How do those that are unvaxed pose a greater threat of covid transmission than those who are vaxed?

[LBDamned]

LB- I understand this.




I guess I am asking for more detail from those who believe the unvaxed pose a risk

I really don't think there is one... if there was an answer - there wouldn't be such a quandary.

When people (including me) say this agenda driven - its because that's the answer. This is not about the illness.

[five.five-six]

Op, you'd have to contact the Clown World Department, I'm sure they have an answer.

I did and clown world said that the vax neither prevents you from catching or from spreading the China virus but it might make the symptoms not so bad.


True story.

[SanDiego619]

The whole thing is complete BS

[BillSmith]

Don't blame me.

Signed,

BS

[SAN compnerd]

OP needs to check his wrong think. The Facebook thought police will be calling on your shortly to help educate you too all the positives of being vaccinated and how dangerous the unvaccinated really are.

2+2=5 and you'll keep visiting room 111 until you understand that properly Winston.

[SanDiego619]

Don't blame me.

Signed,

BS

Sorry BillSmith I will try to stop invoking your name so much!!!!!

[DaveInOroValley]

[as_rocketman]

If a vaxed person can catch and transmit, how is an unvaxed person a risk to those that are vaxed?

Maybe that's my hangup.... from what I hear, vaxed catch and transmit the same as unvaxed? But vaxed (hopefully- (only 95%efective) the vaxed don't get as sick?

If both vaxed and unvaxed catch and transmit what harm do unvaxed pose to the vaxed?

You asked a serious question here, and you didn't get a serious answer... shocking.

The best way to answer this is to understand that it's a quantitative argument. You cannot say someone is / isn't a threat. The question is in the degree of threat.

Unvaccinated people will be at greater risk of several things, including:

• Catching the disease in the first place,
• Transmitting the disease to other unvaccinated people, and
• Transmitting the disease to vaccinated people.

Let's assume we're talking about top-tier vaccines, not any Chinese garbage. Recall that even these vaccines are not 100%, and this is true in several dimensions. Not everyone vaccinated will develop any protective response at all, but this number is thought to be < 1%. Our best estimates are that vaccinated individuals are infected at less than 10% the rate of unvaccinated, and among those, about 5% develop severe symptoms. Likewise, vaccinated individuals who are infected appear to be about 80% less likely to transmit the disease.

So once vaccinated, your overall risk is pretty low. However, your risk would be even lower if you reduce the number of exposures. In this sense, you would be at greater risk around unvaccinated people as compared to vaccinated people, all else being equal.

Does this constitute any significant risk? Judgment call. I am vaccinated and I don't have any real issue being around those who aren't, nor do I even ask. However, my heavily immuno-compromised father has a different view; he too is vaccinated but he wants to remain clear of those who aren't. It is hard to estimate what additional benefit he would gain from this behavior, but it is his choice.

[71MUSTY]

Serious Answer. Vaccinated people are not at all worried about catching COVID19 from unvaccinated people. That is just media hype. Truth is we just love breaking your paranoid minds.

And when you get really close and spray my face while shouting you will not VAX. I don't back up because I'm afraid of Covid19. I've just discovered your afraid of mouthwash too and I never really liked you enough to be that close even before COVID.

[mshill]

And yet the question, and answers continue to skip over a small but not insignificant group of us who have had and recovered from the kung flu. I am technically unvaccinated, but I am far from vulnerable or a threat.

[chrisw]

Thank you for actually taking the time to present an intelligent response.

You asked a serious question here, and you didn't get a serious answer... shocking.

The best way to answer this is to understand that it's a quantitative argument. You cannot say someone is / isn't a threat. The question is in the degree of threat.

Unvaccinated people will be at greater risk of several things:

• Catching the disease in the first place,
• Transmitting the disease to other unvaccinated people, and
• Transmitting the disease to vaccinated people.

Let's assume we're talking about top-tier vaccines, not any Chinese garbage. Recall that even these vaccines are not 100%, and this is true in several dimensions. Not everyone vaccinated will develop any protective response at all, but this number is thought to be < 1%. Our best estimates are that vaccinated individuals are infected at less than 10% the rate of unvaccinated, and among those, about 5% develop severe symptoms. Likewise, vaccinated individuals who are infected appear to be about 80% less likely to transmit the disease.

So once vaccinated, your overall risk is pretty low. However, your risk would be even lower if you reduce the number of exposures. In this sense, you would be at greater risk around unvaccinated people as compared to vaccinated people, all else being equal.

Does this constitute any significant risk? Judgment call. I am vaccinated and I don't have any real issue being around those who aren't, nor do I even ask. However, my heavily immuno-compromised father has a different view; he too is vaccinated but he wants to remain clear of those who aren't. It is hard to estimate what additional benefit he would gain from this behavior, but it is his choice.

Serious Answer. Vaccinated people are not at all worried about catching COVID19 from unvaccinated people. That is just media hype. Truth is we just love breaking your paranoid minds.

Thanks for nothing.

[LBDamned]

Serious Answer. Vaccinated people are not at all worried about catching COVID19 from unvaccinated people. That is just media hype. Truth is we just love breaking your paranoid minds.

And when you get really close and spray my face while shouting you will not VAX. I don't back up because I'm afraid of Covid19. I've just discovered your afraid of mouthwash too and I never really liked you enough to be that close even before COVID.

So now you've determined who you like based on vax status?... interesting.