SF mandates all employees get vaxxed

[anthonyca]

I hold a genuine and sincere religious belief regarding this, but I also feel that it is at the very core of individual liberty that one should be able to make a their own decision on what medical treatments or procedures they accept.

I am not giving up, and not giving in; and it seems by timeline my Department will be the first under the ax as my last day is 10/13 and the Captains have been told to get our gear by 10/14.

I have been in constant contact with my union (SFPOA), but alas the rumor is half the Executive board have expressed opinions, often overheard, that we are the malcontents and blame us for the hardship in staffing that is about to ensue with the termination ("non-punitive separation" - which I put in quotes because that terminology is not in our MOU, and I personally don't believe the City and County will let us off without some form of reprisal for our "defiance" or attempt to gain a legal exemption under Title 7 of the Civil Rights Act of 1964).

I have no faith left in the process, but maybe a decade down the line this may be set right; if the country hasn't fallen completely off the map by then.

The union leadership needs to be sued and removed for not representing tnier paying members. This is a huge problem with almost all unions on this issue.

[stix213]

The union leadership needs to be sued and removed for not representing tnier paying members. This is a huge problem with almost all unions on this issue.

It can't get more obvious why public employee unions must end. They claim to represent the worker's interests, but actually they represent the politicians' interests whenever the two come into conflict.

[Ulfhednar]

It can't get more obvious why public employee unions must end. They claim to represent the worker's interests, but actually they represent the politicians' interests whenever the two come into conflict.

So very true!

[Ulfhednar]

So they are firing you, and they are mad at you for firing you. That sounds like being mad at your wife for "having to" beat your wife.

Great analogy!

[anthonyca]

It can't get more obvious why public employee unions must end. They claim to represent the worker's interests, but actually they represent the politicians' interests whenever the two come into conflict.

This. Many of you are being fired anyway and your union leadership is in cahoots with the politicians, not the paying members. Sue the bastards, what have yiu got to lose? You already have no job.

[anthonyca]

I hold a genuine and sincere religious belief regarding this, but I also feel that it is at the very core of individual liberty that one should be able to make a their own decision on what medical treatments or procedures they accept.

I am not giving up, and not giving in; and it seems by timeline my Department will be the first under the ax as my last day is 10/13 and the Captains have been told to get our gear by 10/14.

I have been in constant contact with my union (SFPOA), but alas the rumor is half the Executive board have expressed opinions, often overheard, that we are the malcontents and blame us for the hardship in staffing that is about to ensue with the termination ("non-punitive separation" - which I put in quotes because that terminology is not in our MOU, and I personally don't believe the City and County will let us off without some form of reprisal for our "defiance" or attempt to gain a legal exemption under Title 7 of the Civil Rights Act of 1964).

I have no faith left in the process, but maybe a decade down the line this may be set right; if the country hasn't fallen completely off the map by then.

Any update? Did they fire you?

[Romeo_alpha01]

I'm still waiting for my Skelly hearing. Today is the deadline. I've been burning PTO since 10/05.

[anthonyca]

I'm still waiting for my Skelly hearing. Today is the deadline. I've been burning PTO since 10/05.

Good luck. Please keep us updated.

[ProfChaos]

If you were forced to burn PTO, could you fight to get that back?

[anthonyca]

Any news?

[Romeo_alpha01]

If you were forced to burn PTO, could you fight to get that back?

I burned PTO on my own because the PTO I have the city doesn't reimburse you for it. I left my vacation time intact however, which I do get reimbursed for. That of course can change at any time.

Since yesterday was the deadline, now they have extended the deadline to 12/06/21 for those only partially vaccinated. That gives us a second chance to get the poke to return to work. I still won't do it though.

I'll just burn sick time starting next week (64 hours remaining), and see what happens. It's all a game of chicken, and them extending deadlines means something is working (or not) with SFDHR.

[anthonyca]

I burned PTO on my own because the PTO I have the city doesn't reimburse you for it. I left my vacation time intact however, which I do get reimbursed for. That of course can change at any time.

Since yesterday was the deadline, now they have extended the deadline to 12/06/21 for those only partially vaccinated. That gives us a second chance to get the poke to return to work. I still won't do it though.

I'll just burn sick time starting next week (64 hours remaining), and see what happens. It's all a game of chicken, and them extending deadlines means something is working (or not) with SFDHR.

Thank you for being strong. F tyrants!

[sigfan91]

I burned PTO on my own because the PTO I have the city doesn't reimburse you for it. I left my vacation time intact however, which I do get reimbursed for. That of course can change at any time.

Since yesterday was the deadline, now they have extended the deadline to 12/06/21 for those only partially vaccinated. That gives us a second chance to get the poke to return to work. I still won't do it though.

I'll just burn sick time starting next week (64 hours remaining), and see what happens. It's all a game of chicken, and them extending deadlines means something is working (or not) with SFDHR.

Hang in there, man. Like I've said in the other thread, some how, some way, some day, we will get the last laugh.

My work hasn't said anything, but I have reorganized some debt just in case I lose my job and need to sit out for a while.

[Ulfhednar]

Any update? Did they fire you?

10/13/2021 was my last day on the street, they gave me a packet and took my Star, gun, magazines and ammo, and my electronic devises. I have been on paid admin leave pending termination (which has to be done by the police commission) but they intend to stop our pay on 11/13/2021, in violation of Skelly as a final "F-You!"

[anthonyca]

10/13/2021 was my last day on the street, they gave me a packet and took my Star, gun, magazines and ammo, and my electronic devises. I have been on paid admin leave pending termination (which has to be done by the police commission) but they intend to stop our pay on 11/13/2021, in violation of Skelly as a final "F-You!"

How many others are in your boat? How many caved against thier will? Is anyone who wanted rhe shots or anyone who caved supporting you?