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  • Dan_Eastvale
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Apr 2013
    • 10059

    Originally posted by nedro
    And F anyone who thinks forcing one to wear a mask indefinitely is reasonable!
    Once the CDC assumes the WHO's doom and gloom, chicken little response to the Delta variant, it will be a reality in blue states.

    In red states.. we completely lifted the emergency and most measures against the virus.
    I was working in my kids' public school and not only did they never ask about the vax, they completely dropped the mask the last 2 weeks of school. They had full and packed maskless graduations.

    Red state, blue state.. 100 % political.

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    • Romeo_alpha01
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2017
      • 2021

      So the July 29 deadline to report vax status has passed and more than half decided not to submit the form (myself included). Yesterday, the head of our department has instructed all admin and supervision to ask is to submit that form again.

      I’m the only one on site who apparently hasn’t reported. I won’t report and it will stay that way, even after I was just threatened by my superintendent to do so.

      Any of you who are employed with SF need to stick to your guns. Stand your ground whether you report or not, vax or not.

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      • nitroxdiver
        Calguns Addict
        • Aug 2009
        • 6979

        SF mandates all employees get vaxxed


        My good friend that works for sf is holding the line, not signing the form, not getting the V. He expects to be fired soon. I feel for you guys, good for you for standing firm against their tyranny.


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        • arrix
          Veteran Member
          • May 2012
          • 3830

          Originally posted by nitroxdiver
          My good friend that works for sf is holding the line, not signing the form, not getting the V. He expects to be fired soon. I feel for you guys, good for you for standing firm against their tyranny.


          Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
          Time to lawyer up.
          There is no week nor day nor hour, when tyranny may not enter upon this country, if the people lose their supreme confidence in themselves -- and lose their roughness and spirit of defiance -- Tyranny may always enter -- there is no charm, no bar against it -- the only bar against it is a large resolute breed of men.

          -Walt Whitman

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          • Romeo_alpha01
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2017
            • 2021

            Here we go fellas:


            Dear City employee:

            You are receiving this notice of potential disciplinary or other employment action because City records show that you have failed to report your COVID-19 vaccination status to the City, as required by the City’s Vaccination Policy, https://sfdhr.org/new-vaccine-and-fa...city-employees. This violation of the City’s COVID-19 Vaccination Policy may result in disciplinary or other employment action. If you believe you are receiving this letter in error, please contact your departmental Human Resources representatives, who can assist you with reviewing your vaccination status reporting.

            On June 23, 2021, the City issued the COVID-19 Vaccination Policy which required that all employees, as a condition of employment, report their vaccination status to the City by July 29, 2021. Employees did not need to be fully vaccinated but could report their status as fully vaccinated, partially vaccinated, or not vaccinated.

            On June 29, 2021, the City sent a DSW alert via text and email to all employees, with instructions for how to report vaccination status.

            In the 30 days between the effective date of the policy and the reporting deadline, the City provided notifications to employees via work e-mail, personal e-mail and text about the requirement that employees report their vaccination status. In addition, your department or supervisor may have followed up with you directly to remind you of this requirement and offer assistance with reporting your vaccination status. You may also reach out directly to your department’s human resources team by emailing: VAXReporting@SFMTA.com.

            On August 2, 2021, the City emailed and mailed you, by US mail, a notice that you had not reported your vaccination status to the City by the July 29, 2021 deadline. You were given a two-week grace period to report your vaccination status, with a new reporting deadline of August 12, 2021. As of the date of this notice, City records show that you have still not complied with the requirement to report your vaccination status.

            You are directed to report your vaccination status by August 12, 2021. If you do not comply with the City’s COVID-19 Vaccination Policy and report your vaccination status by August 12, 2021, you may be subject to progressive disciplinary action, up to and including termination, or other employment action.

            For City employees in permanent civil service (PCS) positions who are non-compliant, their department may initiate disciplinary action starting on August 17, 2021, by issuing a Skelly notice of intent to suspend for ten (10) days. Ongoing and continued non-compliance may result in further progressive discipline, up to and including termination of your employment.

            Employees who are in temporary exempt (TEX) and permanent exempt (PEX) may be released immediately. If those employees have underlying PCS positions, they may also be subject to discipline in that underlying position. Employees serving a probationary period who have not reported their status by the deadline may be released from probation.

            The City does not wish to take disciplinary or other employment action against its employees. But the vaccination status reporting and other requirements in the Vaccination Policy are critical steps in the City’s efforts to meet its legal obligations and ensure the health, safety and well-being of its employees and the public we serve. Accordingly, all employees must report their status as part of this effort.



            Sincerely,

            Human Resources Director

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            Immediately after I gave supervision a shrug.

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            • The Tiger
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2012
              • 1989

              Originally posted by czakita
              Very soon the religious exemptions will be trampled on and become meaningless.

              Once full FDA approval is achieved expect zero tolerance policies and enforcement to begin.

              The water is boiling everyone. Pray for discernment. Stay safe and God Bless.
              Are there any examples of religious exemptions that were accepted? Because they claim they will accept them but I'm not aware of them actually accepting any
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              • Blownmotor
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2010
                • 1334

                Originally posted by Romeo_alpha01
                Here we go fellas:


                https://sfdhr.org/new-vaccine-and-fa...city-employeesVAXReporting@SFMTA.com

                Immediately after I gave supervision a shrug.
                I've had a few guys quit already over this and the POC are up in arms about it
                History doesn't repeat itself but it rhymes

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                • happyvirus
                  Member
                  • Mar 2020
                  • 159

                  Originally posted by The Tiger
                  Are there any examples of religious exemptions that were accepted? Because they claim they will accept them but I'm not aware of them actually accepting any
                  Use these comprehensive documents for religious exemption success with your employer, school, organization or other purpose


                  Peggy Hall has been challenging these mandates and people following her footsteps seems to be winning their battles.
                  Essayons!

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                  • Ulfhednar
                    Member
                    CGN Contributor
                    • Jan 2017
                    • 104

                    Originally posted by Romeo_alpha01
                    Originally posted by Blownmotor
                    I've had a few guys quit already over this and the POC are up in arms about it
                    At a time when we are extremely short staffed and they can't get anyone to apply let alone get through the hiring process or Academy. We are so short staffed that I constantly see supervisors sending out emails to get shifts covered; and now they are threatening us with termination for not taking an EUA treatment.

                    That is some next level Human Resources management. I was going to stay and finish my time, but now I am weighing my options; and our union is basically saying "just do as they mandate or be terminated; we aren't helping".
                    16 "A coward believes he will ever live
                    if he keep him safe from strife:
                    but old age leaves him not long in peace
                    though spears may spare his life."
                    38 "Let a man never stir on his road a step
                    without his weapons of war;
                    for unsure is the knowing when need shall arise
                    of a spear on the way without."
                    *Degree and a DD 214*

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                    • Blownmotor
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2010
                      • 1334

                      Originally posted by Ulfhednar
                      At a time when we are extremely short staffed and they can't get anyone to apply let alone get through the hiring process or Academy. We are so short staffed that I constantly see supervisors sending out emails to get shifts covered; and now they are threatening us with termination for not taking an EUA treatment.

                      That is some next level Human Resources management. I was going to stay and finish my time, but now I am weighing my options; and our union is basically saying "just do as they mandate or be terminated; we aren't helping".
                      The FD & LE have it worse in terms of policy & deadline which is September 15th. All those in HR are tyrannical woke leftist. The unions are weak and doesn't serve the members whom they collect their membership fees from
                      History doesn't repeat itself but it rhymes

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                      • Ulfhednar
                        Member
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Jan 2017
                        • 104

                        Originally posted by Blownmotor
                        The FD & LE have it worse in terms of policy & deadline which is September 15th. All those in HR are tyrannical woke leftist. The unions are weak and doesn't serve the members whom they collect their membership fees from
                        Is it 9/15? I thought it was 10/13? Either way it is fast approaching.

                        EDIT: This is what we got from the union:
                        Earlier today the Department sent out an email on “Vaccination Requirements for Personnel in High-Risk Settings”. The email clearly states the City and Public Health Officer’s mandate that the members to be vaccinated by October 13 are a “safety-related job requirement” and members “who in the course of their duties, may enter or work in those settings even on an intermittent or occasional basis for short periods (sworn employees)” must be vaccinated.

                        The POA is currently seeking clarification on which members will be subject to the October 13 deadline. Regardless, it is very clear that absent a change in policy, all CCSF employees must be vaccinated 10 weeks after FDA approval of any one of the COVID-19 vaccines. The religious and medical exemptions are addressed in the Department email.
                        Last edited by Ulfhednar; 08-10-2021, 6:16 PM.
                        16 "A coward believes he will ever live
                        if he keep him safe from strife:
                        but old age leaves him not long in peace
                        though spears may spare his life."
                        38 "Let a man never stir on his road a step
                        without his weapons of war;
                        for unsure is the knowing when need shall arise
                        of a spear on the way without."
                        *Degree and a DD 214*

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                        • Romeo_alpha01
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2017
                          • 2021

                          Originally posted by Ulfhednar
                          That is some next level Human Resources management. I was going to stay and finish my time, but now I am weighing my options; and our union is basically saying "just do as they mandate or be terminated; we aren't helping".

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                          • Ulfhednar
                            Member
                            CGN Contributor
                            • Jan 2017
                            • 104

                            Originally posted by Romeo_alpha01
                            I could either say “nah, won’t vaccinate” and buy more time for the inevitable. Or just be constructively terminated because of the hostilities. I’ve only been in since 2013 so I don’t know if I really have no sort of pension on the books anyway.

                            I was gonna leave and move out of state anyway, just wanted one more year to get my affairs in order before moving but I guess it’s going to have to happen now.
                            Have you looked on the SFERS website to see what your retirement account balance is? I just looked and thinking of pulling it out and leaving early, I have already enrolled in the 10-7 Project to see about a career change into real estate. I have 20 years now (25 June 01).

                            I am not an "anti-vaxxer" but I am also not willing to be part of an experiment that is nothing more than a cash grab for big pharma either. If the different treatments (as even the producers don't call them vaccines) do end up with real FDA approval I may change my mind, but the EUA was designed for circumstances like the movie "Outbreak" where experimental treatments were to be rushed as a last second stop gap for a high mortality rate bug (think Ebola or the fictional Motaba) in a small enclosed population, not as a global measure for a 97-99.9% survivable coronavirus (like the Flu, common cold, etc).
                            Last edited by Ulfhednar; 08-10-2021, 7:22 PM.
                            16 "A coward believes he will ever live
                            if he keep him safe from strife:
                            but old age leaves him not long in peace
                            though spears may spare his life."
                            38 "Let a man never stir on his road a step
                            without his weapons of war;
                            for unsure is the knowing when need shall arise
                            of a spear on the way without."
                            *Degree and a DD 214*

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                            • anthonyca
                              Calguns Addict
                              • May 2008
                              • 6316

                              For the LEO'S that just posted. Do you have fellow officers who feel the same? Are they being vocal? My union is trying to say I'm one of the only ones who is saying no to this. Private sector but similar mandates.

                              FYI, SCOTUS says public sector union members don't have to stay members to keep working and don't have to pay any dues but they must still represent you. Since they aren't representing you and many are thinking of leaving, this is a great time for as many as possible to resign union membership and stop paying dues.
                              https://www.facebook.com/pages/Union...70812799700206

                              Originally posted by Wherryj
                              I am a physician. I am held to being "the expert" in medicine. I can't fall back on feigned ignorance and the statement that the patient should have known better than I. When an officer "can't be expected to know the entire penal code", but a citizen is held to "ignorance is no excuse", this is equivalent to ME being able to sue my patient for my own malpractice-after all, the patient should have known better, right?

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                              • The Tiger
                                Senior Member
                                • Feb 2012
                                • 1989

                                Originally posted by Ulfhednar
                                Have you looked on the SFERS website to see what your retirement account balance is? I just looked and thinking of pulling it out and leaving early, I have already enrolled in the 10-7 Project to see about a career change into real estate. I have 20 years now (25 June 01).

                                I am not an "anti-vaxxer" but I am also not willing to be part of an experiment that is nothing more than a cash grab for big pharma either. If the different treatments (as even the producers don't call them vaccines) do end up with real FDA approval I may change my mind, but the EUA was designed for circumstances like the movie "Outbreak" where experimental treatments were to be rushed as a last second stop gap for a high mortality rate bug (think Ebola or the fictional Motaba) in a small enclosed population, not as a global measure for a 97-99.9% survivable coronavirus (like the Flu, common cold, etc).
                                Don't hang your hat on the EUA issue. They expect Phelony Pfizer to get full approval in the next month.
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