so not even sure what I should say or do about this. Requiring me to have a covid vac

[71MUSTY]

I'm a pretty straight laced guy these days OP, I do my best to obey the law and keep my side of the street tidy. But they have crossed a line here and just speaking for myself, what I would do in your situation is one of the following in order of my preference.

1. Print out a real-looking fake vax card.

2. A combination of being a member of the Higher Festus of the Westus Holy Diety (that cannot vax or eat mayonnaise due to religious reasons) and a doctor's note saying you cannot wear a mask because you have cystic ventricular microsis. In other words, bullschitt your way through it.

3. Wear a mask and buy some time while you consult a lawyer and/or search for another job.

4. Quit that job and practice asking if I want fries with my meal.

5. Just get the jab. It's probably okay to do so, we just don't know for sure. That's the last choice for a reason, I don't want to do it.

Let us know how this works out for you please.

They are already prosecuting people for forged VAX cards.

Apparently it is a felony to possess forged Government Documents

[LBDamned]

They are already prosecuting people for forged VAX cards.

Apparently it is a felony to possess forged Government Documents

A vax card is a "government document"?

That would be an interesting legal battle. It's not issued by a government agency...

[ACfixer]

They are already prosecuting people for forged VAX cards.

Apparently it is a felony to possess forged Government Documents

It's a crime if it contains a forged government seal. And I am just saying how I would handle it... in order of likelihood. We're talking about something that would be presented to an employer, not to a government agency. Of course, eventually it leads to this:

"Stein believes these black market deals could lead to a wider implementation of vaccine passports.

"I expect there will be some form of digital signature," said Stein.

Digital signature. I don't think you have to be devoutly religious to see where this is going, in the name of public safety of course.

[alpha_romeo_XV]

How many employers in CA have not required illegal imigrants to show a Soc Sec card to be hired and paid? How often has the CA gov gone after those breaking the law on both sides of that "no papers" situation?
I did not need to apply for a SSN until i was 12 y/o and opened a bank account. When my kids were born i think i had to apply for theirs within a month. I'd call a SS card a gov document.
We need Covid sactuary cities and states !

[71MUSTY]

A vax card is a "government document"?

That would be an interesting legal battle. It's not issued by a government agency...

Actually I believe it is a CDC document. Filled out by a clinic but it has the CDC seal right on it. At least my wife's does.

[Creampuff]

OP, you are being given a lot of advice to falsify a vaccination card but I'd recommend against it. While unlikely if they did try to verify or somehow were able to figure out it was falsified, why give them an ability for immediate grounds for termination. I know CA is a no fault state when it comes to letting people go. But some terminations are easier to sue over than others. Time clock manipulation/vaccination card falsification would be clear cut cases.

You will have a tough time pressing a class action lawsuit since they are giving you an option out - vaccine or mask. Hospitals have been using that for awhile before covid. Get a flu vaccine or wear a mask during the flu season. I am not aware of a class action law suit that has ruled against the hospitals. (but I haven't really researched this either).

HIPPA doesn't apply either. HIPPA doesn't stop an employer from accessing pertinent information. HIPPA does hold parties to only acquire the minimum information necessary.

[LBDamned]

Actually I believe it is a CDC document. Filled out by a clinic but it has the CDC seal right on it. At least my wife's does.

Still not issued by a government agency.

I dont know the legalities of me filling out a card vs a healthcare worker filling out a card - but neither are a government agency so I don't know how that's a felony offense.

[BJames]

Teachers have to be tested for TB every 2 years. If they don't comply they don't work. Noone cares about HIPPA with TB so you probably won't win against covid.


Their company their rules. Quit and find a job that better suits your needs. Its an at will state so you're free to leave. That's what America is all about. Freedom to change jobs when needed.

...but, the Covid VAX is not FDA Approved. It is an "Experimental Vaccine" only able to be used under EMERGENCY orders.

[stonefly-2]

OP, you are being given a lot of advice to falsify a vaccination card but I'd recommend against it. While unlikely if they did try to verify or somehow were able to figure out it was falsified, why give them an ability for immediate grounds for termination. I know CA is a no fault state when it comes to letting people go. But some terminations are easier to sue over than others. Time clock manipulation/vaccination card falsification would be clear cut cases.

You will have a tough time pressing a class action lawsuit since they are giving you an option out - vaccine or mask. Hospitals have been using that for awhile before covid. Get a flu vaccine or wear a mask during the flu season. I am not aware of a class action law suit that has ruled against the hospitals. (but I haven't really researched this either).

HIPPA doesn't apply either. HIPPA doesn't stop an employer from accessing pertinent information. HIPPA does hold parties to only acquire the minimum information necessary.

It's the difference between standing up and saying NO and taking potshots from hiding.

[SPUTTER]

We've beat this one too death. Employer can't force an experimental vaccine period, and sounds like coercion is occurring. Op, all I can say is don't let opportunity slip you by, be sure to get everything in writing and/or email. Cya and talk to a lawyer. Be smart about it, it's a serious matter.

[CWL]

We've beat this one too death. Employer can't force an experimental vaccine period, and sounds like coercion is occurring. Op, all I can say is don't let opportunity slip you by, be sure to get everything in writing and/or email. Cya and talk to a lawyer. Be smart about it, it's a serious matter.

When the FDA certifies a treatment such as the covid vaccines, it is not "experimental".

Whether or not you want to take it is a different matter.

Btw, if one was to go on A-zon.com and buy a clear plastic covid vaccination card holder (like for holding work ID badges), some will come with BLANK vaccination cards...

[SPUTTER]

When the FDA certifies a treatment such as the covid vaccines, it is not "experimental".

Whether or not you want to take it is a different matter.

Btw, if one was to go on A-zon.com and buy a clear plastic covid vaccination card holder (like for holding work ID badges), some will come with BLANK vaccination cards...

Wrong, it's experimental, meaning it hasn't gone through proper testing. Usually takes 10+ years and most don't make it that far and an mRNA type hasn't even made it past animal testing in the 2O+ years it's been around.

[stonefly-2]

When the FDA certifies a treatment such as the covid vaccines, it is not "experimental".

Whether or not you want to take it is a different matter.

Btw, if one was to go on A-zon.com and buy a clear plastic covid vaccination card holder (like for holding work ID badges), some will come with BLANK vaccination cards...

You're making that up,

there is no "certification" and you know it or you would not have parsed the comment the way you did.


There is FDA "approval" which no Covid "vaccine" has and there is a massive clinical trial of an experimental treatment allowed by the FDA under the emergency use authorization.

[Tere_Hanges]

Sucks for you OP. Get a lawyer or find a new job. Life isn't fair. I already got the jab so I dont have to fret about resisting an employer telling me to get it when they have no legal authority to do so.

Im not worried in the slightest but I guess that makes sense, why worry about something that is already done? I got the jab and I'll find out eventually either way if it was a good decision or not, no sense in me worrying about something that is done. So far so good. Millions of people including Donald Trump have taken the jab. Trump also had COVID, so why did he get the vaccine? I dont think its a very big deal.

Trump is actually responsible for the vaccine, not Xiden and the Democrats. They had nothing to do with it and even tried to sabotage the vaccine and spread FUD about it when Trump was President. Now that the Dems have the White House, they are promoting the vaccine. Larry Elder has a sound byte of VP BJ saying she wont take the vaccine if Trump tells her to. The antivaxxers are saying the same thing now that the Dems are telling everyone to get the vaccine. Its madness.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=40eZeXPyJ0g

I see a lot of people, like you OP, who refused the vaccine and are dealing with a lot of anxiety and distress. I dont have any of that. Whats done is done. I feel sorry for the people like you who are still stressing about it. All I can say is sorry but it sounds like it sucks to be you right now. Hope it works out for you.

I already know I've probably taken 10 or 20 years off my lifespan from the polluted air I've breathed, the sugar and fat I've eaten, the chemicals I've worked with, the booze I've drank and the cigarettes I smoked. The COVID vaccine isnt going to decrease my lifespan or make me suffer from any chronic condition I havent already done to myself.

[joepamjohn]

Tell them no and it's none of their business.

Good luck!

Get your resume in order first, but keep in mind this will be the new norm everywhere in the near future. The new America is loss of rights and freedom. More to come!