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  • TrappedinCalifornia
    Calguns Addict
    • Jan 2018
    • 9013

    Half Of Republican Men Say They Don’t Want The Vaccine.. Mooching Off The Rest Of Us

    First, I was a 'deplorable.' Then I became a 'fascist.' Later I was accused of being an 'extremist;' alluding to the idea that I was a racist, homophobe, misogynist, etc.

    Now... I'm a 'moocher?' Is that a move up or down in society from 'deplorable?'

    Half of Republican men say they don’t want the vaccine. They’re mooching off the rest of us

    ...In a recent NPR/PBS/Marist survey, fully 49% of Republican men said they do not plan to get vaccinated — a higher share of refusers than any other demographic group. Among Democratic men, the number saying no was only 6%.

    The finding, which has been confirmed in other polls, has confounded public health professionals...

    Republicans, on the other hand, have become more resistant — especially since a Democrat became president.

    They don’t trust the federal government — and they trust it even less since Joe Biden came to the White House. They don’t trust scientists, and they especially don’t trust Dr. Anthony Fauci, Biden’s chief medical advisor.

    Many tell pollsters they’re worried that the vaccine might not be safe. Such fears have been fed by Fox News, whose star polemicist Tucker Carlson has frequently accused authorities of “lying” about the vaccine’s safety and effectiveness...

    “We have to find a way to depoliticize this issue,” he said. “Instead of hearing Joe Biden or Tony Fauci tell them to take the vaccine, they need to hear it from physicians in their own states — people who have never worked in Washington.”...

    Others, like freshman Rep. Madison Cawthorn of North Carolina, have defended the right not to be immunized as an exercise in individual freedom.

    “The survival rate [from COVID-19] is too high for me to want it,” Cawthorn, who is 25, explained.

    But there’s a flaw in that argument: The hazards of refusing the vaccine don’t confine themselves to the individual refuser. Vaccine resisters are putting the rest of us in danger, too.

    Unvaccinated people who contract COVID-19, even if they don’t become seriously ill, can pass the virus to family and friends...

    Herd immunity against the coronavirus will require between 70% and 85% of the population to be vaccinated, Fauci estimates. It’s a new disease, so nobody knows the precise level, and new variants of the virus could push the number higher.

    “If a significant number of people do not get vaccinated, that would delay where we would get to that endpoint,” Fauci warned recently...

    Paul, Cawthorn and their colleagues are casting themselves as courageous individualists. In fact, they’re acting as epidemiological moochers. They’re free riders, relying on the rest of us to protect them by helping the country reach herd immunity...
    So... We need to 'depoliticize' this whole thing? Okay. Then why turn around and...?
    • Identify those who are resisting vaccination by Party affiliation
    • Cite the one 'scientist' the poll specifically indicates 'resistors' especially don't trust
    • Decry them as endangering the public
    • Call them names such as 'moochers,' allude to their lack of patriotism, and suggest social ostracism

    In other words, they wish to 'depoliticize' it by immediately politicizing the discussion and totally ignoring the actual arguments being presented such as...
    • Having already contracted the virus and, thereby, having 'natural' immunity (what there might be of it)
    • The perception of an extraordinarily high survival rate if the virus is contracted*
    • Individual rights
    • Unanswered, legitimate questions

    Let's just say I'm less and less hesitant about my decision... to wait... in that if all they've got by way of 'answers' to legitimate questions is insults, they may not have much of an argument at all. At least that's the impression being left.

    ____________

    * The NPR/PBS/Marist poll cites 82% of Republican respondents having personally known someone who'd gotten sick from the virus; but, only 29% personally knowing someone who'd died from it. Further, it notes that almost as many "Republicans" (24%) as Democrats (29%) have already received vaccination and that 40% of Republicans haven't even tried being tested for Coronavirus, meaning... There may be some question if, at this point, a year into the 'pandemic,' they even need it if fully 82% personally know someone who has gotten sick from it; i.e., there's a chance they've been 'exposed' already.
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    greenpea
    Banned
    • Jul 2019
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    • #3
      Aeneas
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2014
      • 1127

      But it was great when Kamela proclaimed that she would not get the vaccine if Trump said that she should...

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      • #4
        2shotjoe
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
        CGN Contributor
        • Feb 2011
        • 26467

        the vax doesn't make you immune to the covid. you'll still get it with reduced symptoms.
        Originally posted by Kestryll
        ..you're kind of a sad excuse for an attorney...
        Originally posted by Libertarian777
        ...Don't pick either side....

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        • #5
          Wordupmybrotha
          From anotha motha
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Oct 2013
          • 6965

          I don't understand. If they get vaccinated, why are they still scared that someone else didn't get vaccinated?

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          • #6
            LBDamned
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Feb 2011
            • 19040

            Good thing IDGAF what people think.
            "Kamala is a radical leftist lunatic" ~ Donald J. Trump

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            • #7
              anthonyca
              Calguns Addict
              • May 2008
              • 6316

              https://www.facebook.com/pages/Union...70812799700206

              Originally posted by Wherryj
              I am a physician. I am held to being "the expert" in medicine. I can't fall back on feigned ignorance and the statement that the patient should have known better than I. When an officer "can't be expected to know the entire penal code", but a citizen is held to "ignorance is no excuse", this is equivalent to ME being able to sue my patient for my own malpractice-after all, the patient should have known better, right?

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              • #8
                Wordupmybrotha
                From anotha motha
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Oct 2013
                • 6965

                "Democrat men"...they just triggered bunch of whackos who don't believe in binary gender. They don't follow the science when it doesn't suit their narrative.

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                • #9
                  sbo80
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2014
                  • 2264

                  I agree with your reasoning and it's primarily the reason I'm in the "I'll wait" category. But it occurred to me an interesting counter-argument. They are saying the vaccine is safe even if not formally declared so. But if that's the case, then why have the formal process at all? Is the process actually just a rubber-stamp bureaucracy action? Could it also be that the entire FDA process is unnecessary to begin with and only exists as just one more budget-sucking serves-no-real-purpose federal department? I hate the fact that a major concern I have for the safety of the vaccine, depends on the assumption that a Federal Agency, the FDA, is the "honest broker" in this transaction. And I have to admit, that barring a pretty massive safety issue (big enough that would be obvious already) there is no way in any universe that after approving emergency use and sticking millions of citizens with this experiment, that the FDA would then reject the formal approval and say "oops we were wrong". Never. Even if there's a high enough side-effect rate that other vaccines would get rejected for. They have to approve it, almost no matter what. Which makes the current argument of "but it's not approved yet" kind of a silly point to argue since there's just no other way it's going to go.

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                  • #10
                    TrappedinCalifornia
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jan 2018
                    • 9013

                    Originally posted by ShotgunPreacher
                    ...and now you are almost a blackman
                    I don't think you understand. From the article...

                    I take that to mean Republican males are lower on the social scale for... having questions which are going unanswered.

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                    • #11
                      bigmike82
                      Bit Pusher
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 3876

                      Originally posted by sbo80
                      I agree with your reasoning and it's primarily the reason I'm in the "I'll wait" category. But it occurred to me an interesting counter-argument. They are saying the vaccine is safe even if not formally declared so. But if that's the case, then why have the formal process at all? Is the process actually just a rubber-stamp bureaucracy action? Could it also be that the entire FDA process is unnecessary to begin with and only exists as just one more budget-sucking serves-no-real-purpose federal department?
                      Therein lies the crux of the matter don't it? I don't have any citations at the moment, but I feel like the drug approval program in the US is actually far more onerous than it is in other parts of the world. 12 years for approvals just seems ridiculous, and given the overall lack of serious side effects for the Covid vaccine (which was a fairly new technology in general, in it being only 20 years old) that seems to agree with the notion that pharma approvals here are just mired in bureaucracy and CYA.

                      I feel like the process is completely screwed up, but no one in gov't (or the industry) is willing to disrupt it because doing so will make them seem like they're throwing peoples safety out the window. "Can we like condense fifty studies down into ten maybe?" "Why are you trying to kill people????".

                      It doesn't help that these vaccines are incredibly complex at the biochemistry level, and no one who works with these things is ever going to commit to something with a very big caveat.
                      -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

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                      • #12
                        bigmike82
                        Bit Pusher
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 3876

                        Originally posted by TrappedinCalifornia
                        First, I was a 'deplorable.'

                        Now... I'm a 'moocher?' Is that a move up or down in society from 'deplorable?'
                        Buncha bull****. But then again, the LASlimes isn't exactly know for being neutral or fair so this isn't unexpected.

                        That said ... the god damn vaccine is safe. Take the shot. The mrna doesn't stick around that long ... just long enough to get your immune system primed to spank down the protein spike Covid uses to infect you. Every person in my team is still alive, and hasn't grown a third eye. A full quarter of the population has received at least one dose at this point; if there were big safety issues...we'd know.
                        -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

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                        • #13
                          bigmike82
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                          CGN Contributor
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 3876

                          Originally posted by TrappedinCalifornia
                          First, I was a 'deplorable.' .
                          To reiterate ... the liberal take on this is ****ing bull****. That article you posted is infuriating as hell. **** those bitches.
                          -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

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                          • #14
                            Nvberinger
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2018
                            • 729

                            Well if the Vaccines don't work and actually kill you, than the 46% of Republican men and some portion of women, will be the sole global survivors of the pandemic. I can live with that. Sounds great.

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                            • #15
                              bigmike82
                              Bit Pusher
                              CGN Contributor
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 3876

                              Originally posted by Nvberinger
                              Well if the Vaccines don't work and actually kill you, than the 46% of Republican men and some portion of women, will be the sole global survivors of the pandemic. I can live with that. Sounds great.
                              What if I were to tell you that Covid claims the old people first ... the ones who vote conservative....

                              The vaccine won't leave you with a right-leaning wonderland at this point. Quite the opposite...
                              -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

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