Rand Paul and Dr. Fauci Get Into GIANT FIGHT In Middle Of Hearing Over Masks

[Sousuke]

Rand Paul and Dr. Fauci Get Into GIANT FIGHT In Middle Of Hearing Over Masks

https://rumble.com/ves2df-rand-paul-...over-mask.html

They were sort of talking past one another and both have valid points.

I know Rand Paul has been criticised for not wearing masks and his reasons are that he has immunity. I generally agree with that, if we don't assume natural infection or the vaccines provide immunity then there really is no step forward in this pandemic.

To Fauci's point, that Rand Paul didn't accept, its true that there actually HAS been reinfection from the South African variant. I think we need to weigh how serious that risk is from a community policy stand point and make a decision.

If you were asking me which direction to take, I would say that the previously infected and fully vaccinated should abandon precautions and we study this population to see the effect in the sort term. Regardless of what actions are taken at this point the SA variant and B117 will be dominant in the future.

[therealnickb]

They were sort of talking past one another and both have valid points.

I know Rand Paul has been criticised for not wearing masks and his reasons are that he has immunity. I generally agree with that, if we don't assume natural infection or the vaccines provide immunity then there really is no step forward in this pandemic.

To Fauci's point, that Rand Paul didn't accept, its true that there actually HAS been reinfection from the South African variant. I think we need to weigh how serious that risk is from a community policy stand point and make a decision.

If you were asking me which direction to take, I would say that the previously infected and fully vaccinated should abandon precautions and we study this population to see the effect in the sort term. Regardless of what actions are taken at this point the SA variant and B117 will be dominant in the future.

[Sousuke]

Paul was asking for an actual study. I didn’t hear fauxi offer one. The good dr lab rat just keeps moving the goal posts.

I asked a year ago. Is this the new strategy? Do we lock down the world every time a new virus appears?

So far I’ve not seen an answer.

The variant is relatively new so I don't think there has been enough time for something like a peer reviewed study. A quick search brought this:

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab129/6132402

I'm not anti-Fauci, but as to your note about moving goal posts, I agree there is an unreasonable fear that vaccination and natural infection won't blunt the pandemic. I think they will, even it there is no herd immunity and the virus becomes endemic to the population as a whole.

[Scota4570]

Obliterating society over a bad flu is ridiculous. Viral variations are normal. It is is not a problem.

They keep moving the goal post and they will do so indefinitely. IT is called "the new normal".

They are morally bankrupt, power hungry, egomaniacs. So, they must continue to invent new reasons to scare the sheeple into accepting it. They have to double down and assert iron fisted authority. If they loose control they will be prosecuted.

I see glimmers of the mainstream media is beginning to turn on this administration. That happened much faster than I though it would.

[Wordupmybrotha]

look around... government has control.

It's sad

[Wordupmybrotha]

Wearing two masks...pure theatrics by Dr Fauxchi

[nedro]

There was ZERO argument. Neither one attempted to answer the others claims.
Nothing more than Political grandstanding. And a poor attempt at that!

[SanDiego619]

Wearing one mask is stupid. Wearing two masks is idiotic.

[Sousuke]

https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes...QBRsmI.twitter

5,775 variants by JUNE 2020.

The paper cited ONE example of reinfection. This is no different to the original 2 strains (S Korea and Italy) which also experienced a very small number of reinfections (China reported some too).

There's literally nothing new.

I said the variant. I am specifically refering to the variant highlighted by Fauci which is relatively new.

[LBDamned]

Wearing one mask is stupid. Wearing two masks is idiotic.

... because everyone knows - you need three to be safe from the invisible killer!

[SAN compnerd]

The variant is relatively new so I don't think there has been enough time for something like a peer reviewed study. A quick search brought this:

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab129/6132402

I'm not anti-Fauci, but as to your note about moving goal posts, I agree there is an unreasonable fear that vaccination and natural infection won't blunt the pandemic. I think they will, even it there is no herd immunity and the virus becomes endemic to the population as a whole.

This study was performed last year and yet it managed to capture data on variants and vaccine effectiveness against them (they are effective).

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777898

Does it seem strange that a study has been done on the variants and vaxx effectiveness but no real study about masking or other data on the variants other than fear mongering?

Problem I have with Fauci and the masks is that his 'studies' on the matter are about particle filtration and not viral spread. That's just one more reason why I hate that guy, he's been dishonest from the beginning and the dishonesty continues.

The CHARMS study of Marines makes it pretty clear masks don't work. The DANMASK study makes it pretty clear masks don't work. I recently posted a NIH study here that showed a dozen plus negative health impacts from wearing masks like increasing CO2 level in the blood which triggers the fight-or-flight response and panic. It also documented how small the particles are and how even the N95 mask is like chain link fence against mosquitoes.

[Den60]

Once you catch something you can never get it again?

Well, once a "novel" virus makes its way through a population it becomes less novel. Once infected, your body will remember how to fight it. As you get older, however, other health conditions may inhibit the body from fixing itself.

[walmart_ar15]

bottom line. No one knows or can predict this virus (and variants) impact to human society. Unlike other virus in the past, this one had help to become infectious to human. It is more efficient in spreading with similar mortality rate as other virus in the past. Because it is not naturally in origin, no one knows how long the body will retain memory to fight it again. Only time will tell.

Mask was never intended to protect the wearer. It is to prevent transmission of liquid particles that may have virus within it from spreading from people's mouth and nose.

Question to policy makers is if people have hard evidence that mask wearing can reduce the infection rate by x% but does nothing to protect the person wearing it would people still wear a mask or not?

Government's policy is never intended to protect the individual, it is more geared to the entire population. If mask will reduce the virus transmission even at 10%, they will require it as it is better than none. So some will lie to have people wear it since they believe in this self serving society, people will have no consideration for others but themselves. Other who has more faith in American morality wants the truth so people can decide for themselves.

So which side are you?