Why Some Who Are Vaccinated Still Get Coronavirus

[Tango_Down]

I'm pretty sure this is how the zombie apocalypse happens that we all have been waiting for.

[Garand Hunter]

Don't take it ! So simple even I can understand that.

Psalm 1

[DentonandSasquatchShow]

Just wear a mask and you're cool, right? Right! RIGHT!!!! They said I'm GTG with a mask.

*This is sarcasm*

[LBDamned]

I'm pretty sure this is how the zombie apocalypse happens that we all have been waiting for.

I have ZombieMax ammomin every caliber.

Bought as a novelty - but I'm ready!

[LBDamned]

Just wear a mask and you're cool, right? Right! RIGHT!!!! They said I'm GTG with a mask.

*This is sarcasm*

Nope. You also must stay away from people, get a test, must get a vax, and must do whatever hokeypokey they tell you to do next.

Otherwise you are un-American. Got it?

BTW, just remember- everything the left says is literally the opposite of reality.

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Just be good. Do as you are told.

Like a good citizen.

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Neither Pfizer nor Moderna have claimed that their respective vaccines stop the spread of the virus. In fact, they have openly stated that there is no scientific evidence that the vaccines slow or stop the spread. The vaccines, according to their studies, reduce the symptoms resulting in less hospitalizations and deaths.

[SAN compnerd]

So in other words there is no good reason for an individual to get the vaccine to protect themselves as it doesn't do that, it's for the good of the herd.

Unless of course you are afraid of a virus with a 99.9% survival rate in those under 50.

Biggest sham in American history.

[Citadelgrad87]

What I'm reacting to is the fact that, for months, they've 'sold' a vaccine as, quote, "the Holy Grail." They've pushed it as the 'short cut' to 'herd immunity.' Yet, they've had trouble getting people, not just non-vaxxer's, to get it.

Bearing in mind that herd immunity is suggestive to the great unwashed; particularly when talked about in the context of 'defeating' and/or 'eradicating' the virus. Now they are 'admitting' that it may not impart actual 'immunity,' just a resistance. Add in the fact that Biden is talking about releasing all the available doses so more people can get the first dose; but, at the risk of not having a second dose available within the noted time frame. As a result, those who get the single dose will only get a 50% - 60% effective vaccination; roughly equitable to the 'best' the flu vaccines achieve.

As I've said, this whole thing has been so muddled and mixed messaged that many people don't know what to think. (A prime example is Fauci saying that common sense suggests that two masks provides 'more' protection and, on the same day, a CDC official declaring that two masks might increase the likelihood of spreading the infection; i.e., providing less protection.) The reality is that no one actually KNOWS many of the answers to the obvious questions - yet. So, in effect, they are offering "educated" guesses. Unfortunately, that particular caveat has been and continues to be difficult to come by.

Thus, you end up with one thing and, eventually, find that what you 'understood' them to mean was kinda what they meant, but more often than not has to be modified as actual information, coupled with real world experience, call for new conclusions. While that's the essence of actual Science, again, to those not familiar with how Science actually works, it is not only confusing, but often disheartening given that too many have come to 'count on' what they were initially told or understood.

So... In reaction to your statement... I was being 'serious' in terms of actual Science reining in the PR campaign and being sarcastic in terms of the PR campaign these 'scientists' have engaged in, despite the warnings put forth by actual, working scientists that they shouldn't be in the business of "PR."

No, they didn't. I never saw oversell. They said a vaccine is the way to herd immunity, and it is a way to herd immunity. The effective numbers are very good, but no vaccine is 100% effective. None ever has been, likely none ever will. The science is if enough people DO get the antibodies, it won't matter that 10% or so don't, because the herd cannot carry the pathogen.

[BajaJames83]

this exactly. It does not prevent someone from getting it it just makes them be able to fight it.

[SAN compnerd]

Which was achievable with HCQ that's proven effective in 85% of cases at reducing death.

Significantly reduced hospitalisation rates in the treatment group.


Reduced mortality rates in the treatment group.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/01/hydroxychloroquine-and-zinc-for-coronavirus.aspx

https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(20)30673-2/fulltext

[Endless]

My understanding is that the vaccine doesn’t protect you from infection but reduces the severity of symptoms. The idea is to prevent hospitalizations.

Exactly right.

So you don’t want Pfizer or Moderna at this point. You have a choice or at least we do here. Not to say either vaccine is bad. I would just wait for others to come out before you make your own educated decision on what’s best for you and your family.

Wait for the J&J vaccine. It’s one shot and it has a 72% protection from infection and 85% protection from severe disease.

After giving vaccines in the military for 15 years those are good numbers. Period.

[LBDamned]

So in other words there is no good reason for an individual to get the vaccine to protect themselves as it doesn't do that, it's for the good of the herd.

Unless of course you are afraid of a virus with a 99.9% survival rate in those under 50.

Biggest sham in American history.

You want to kill grandma! Shame on you

/sarcasm

[UCT]

This is literally the science of vaccines, since... vaccines were invented.

This is science.

And that's probably why many Americans, especially Jenny McCarthy's newest acolytes on the right, don't recognize it.

Some vaccines do provide sterilizing immunity, though Covid does not.

[Endless]

That's my experience with the flu shot.

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Wow. Unbelievable.

You absolutely cannot get sick from the inactivated vaccine or the shot. It’s crazy some Americans still think this is true. It’s all in your head. That’s a fact. We all went through the training from the US military every year and we know you can’t get sick from the flu shot. The nasal mist is different.

The weakened live virus or nasal mist can absolutely cause you to have fever like systems for a couple days. This is known and has been known for years.

I have gotten a flu shot for 30+ years and in 40 years I have gotten the actual flu maybe once and it wasn’t from a shot. Enough said.

The folks that get sick every year from the flu are the same folks at highest risk for COVID-19. This is also known.

All this means is you have a weaker immune system than most and a weaker blood type than most (you may also have a compromised immune system from other health related issues). It’s not your fault. That’s how you were born and you inherited this from your folks. So blame them but please don’t whine that you always get the flu or get it from a dead virus vaccine.

You don’t know how many active duty soldiers I gave the flu shot to and they came back in a day or two complaining of fever and being sick. I did their vitals and temperature and 100% of the time their vitals were normal and no temperature. Go figure. Vitals don’t lie. Period.