Why Some Who Are Vaccinated Still Get Coronavirus

[TrappedinCalifornia]

Why Some Who Are Vaccinated Still Get Coronavirus

...Experts say cases like these are not surprising and do not indicate that there was something wrong with the vaccines or how they were administered. Here is why.

• Nor do they work retroactively...
• The vaccines prevent illness, but maybe not infection...

Well... That's reassuring.

[dreyna14]

My understanding is that the vaccine doesn’t protect you from infection but reduces the severity of symptoms. The idea is to prevent hospitalizations.

[SoCal326]

Why Some Who Are Vaccinated Still Get Coronavirus







Well... That's reassuring.

I'm not sure if your serious or being sarcastic but this is how most vaccines work.

[tomrkba]

It takes several weeks for the body to make the antibodies. In this case, the first dose gives something like 65% immunity and the second dose three weeks later will give 95% AFTER several weeks. Overall, you'll need to wait approximately six weeks for maximum immunity. You could be exposed at any time and the strength of the attack may or may not be reduced.

[Hateca]

Because it’s not a cure. Just like the flu vaccine.

[Notpc]

Yeah, I am thinking most missed this part.

The vaccines prevent illness, but maybe not infection...

You can still contact and spread the virus, you just won't die from it, hopefully. I have seen this written a few times this week. Is that how the flu vaccine works?

[BigMac90660]

Because they insist on getting a CoVid test when they have the sniffles.

[LBDamned]

Just put your mask on, roll up you sleeve for injection then sit in the corner until told what to do next.

Sheesh, why is it so difficult for you people

[TrappedinCalifornia]

I'm not sure if your serious or being sarcastic bit this is how most vaccines work.

What I'm reacting to is the fact that, for months, they've 'sold' a vaccine as, quote, "the Holy Grail." They've pushed it as the 'short cut' to 'herd immunity.' Yet, they've had trouble getting people, not just non-vaxxer's, to get it.

Bearing in mind that herd immunity is suggestive to the great unwashed; particularly when talked about in the context of 'defeating' and/or 'eradicating' the virus. Now they are 'admitting' that it may not impart actual 'immunity,' just a resistance. Add in the fact that Biden is talking about releasing all the available doses so more people can get the first dose; but, at the risk of not having a second dose available within the noted time frame. As a result, those who get the single dose will only get a 50% - 60% effective vaccination; roughly equitable to the 'best' the flu vaccines achieve.

As I've said, this whole thing has been so muddled and mixed messaged that many people don't know what to think. (A prime example is Fauci saying that common sense suggests that two masks provides 'more' protection and, on the same day, a CDC official declaring that two masks might increase the likelihood of spreading the infection; i.e., providing less protection.) The reality is that no one actually KNOWS many of the answers to the obvious questions - yet. So, in effect, they are offering "educated" guesses. Unfortunately, that particular caveat has been and continues to be difficult to come by.

Thus, you end up with one thing and, eventually, find that what you 'understood' them to mean was kinda what they meant, but more often than not has to be modified as actual information, coupled with real world experience, call for new conclusions. While that's the essence of actual Science, again, to those not familiar with how Science actually works, it is not only confusing, but often disheartening given that too many have come to 'count on' what they were initially told or understood.

So... In reaction to your statement... I was being 'serious' in terms of actual Science reining in the PR campaign and being sarcastic in terms of the PR campaign these 'scientists' have engaged in, despite the warnings put forth by actual, working scientists that they shouldn't be in the business of "PR."

[faris1984]

its a biological war, we will know soon.

[pratchett]

Well... That's reassuring.

This is literally the science of vaccines, since... vaccines were invented.

This is science.

And that's probably why many Americans, especially Jenny McCarthy's newest acolytes on the right, don't recognize it.

[TrappedinCalifornia]

This is literally the science of vaccines, since... vaccines were invented.

This is science.

And that's probably why many Americans, especially Jenny McCarthy's newest acolytes on the right, don't recognize it.

Which is pretty much what I just said two posts above...

I'm not sure if your serious or being sarcastic bit this is how most vaccines work.

What I'm reacting to is the fact that, for months, they've 'sold' a vaccine as, quote, "the Holy Grail." They've pushed it as the 'short cut' to 'herd immunity.' Yet, they've had trouble getting people, not just non-vaxxer's, to get it.

Bearing in mind that herd immunity is suggestive to the great unwashed; particularly when talked about in the context of 'defeating' and/or 'eradicating' the virus. Now they are 'admitting' that it may not impart actual 'immunity,' just a resistance. Add in the fact that Biden is talking about releasing all the available doses so more people can get the first dose; but, at the risk of not having a second dose available within the noted time frame. As a result, those who get the single dose will only get a 50% - 60% effective vaccination; roughly equitable to the 'best' the flu vaccines achieve.

As I've said, this whole thing has been so muddled and mixed messaged that many people don't know what to think. (A prime example is Fauci saying that common sense suggests that two masks provides 'more' protection and, on the same day, a CDC official declaring that two masks might increase the likelihood of spreading the infection; i.e., providing less protection.) The reality is that no one actually KNOWS many of the answers to the obvious questions - yet. So, in effect, they are offering "educated" guesses. Unfortunately, that particular caveat has been and continues to be difficult to come by.

Thus, you end up with one thing and, eventually, find that what you 'understood' them to mean was kinda what they meant, but more often than not has to be modified as actual information, coupled with real world experience, call for new conclusions. While that's the essence of actual Science, again, to those not familiar with how Science actually works, it is not only confusing, but often disheartening given that too many have come to 'count on' what they were initially told or understood.

So... In reaction to your statement... I was being 'serious' in terms of actual Science reining in the PR campaign and being sarcastic in terms of the PR campaign these 'scientists' have engaged in, despite the warnings put forth by actual, working scientists that they shouldn't be in the business of "PR."

[PogoJack]

You need to wear 2^n number of masks per Fauci's decree.

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[2shotjoe]

That's my experience with the flu shot.

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[bigmike82]

In all seriousness ... I'm not an immunologist so take it for what its worth, BUT the type of antibody that the vaccine triggers (igM) is primarily found inside the body rather than in the mucus membranes (where the virus first takes hold). So you could have an active viral infection in your lungs and throat, for example, but the virus never spreads inside your system which means that you are technically sick (and potentially a carrier), but your life isn't in danger. Some of the antibodies do make it out to the mucosal membranes and ultimately the virus is destroyed, but it could very well exist there for some time and you wouldn't even know it.

I could be totally wrong, of course, but it's kind of a neat thing to read up on.

https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/test-immunoglobulins.html

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3064559/

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/downloads/pfizer-biontech-vaccine-what-Clinicians-need-to-know.pdf

"Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine contains mRNA that encodes the spike protein; thus, a positive test for spike protein IgM/IgG could indicate either prior infection or vaccination – To evaluate for evidence of prior infection in an individual with a history of Pfizer-BioNTech "

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2026616

The second letter to the editor addresses this exact issue (why you can still get infected even after vaccination).

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.611337/full

https://www.drugdiscoverytrends.com/7-things-to-know-about-covid-19-vaccines/

Point 5 directly addresses this too.