COVID-19 will be 'with us for the next 10 years', warns vaccine chief

[HibikiR]

You DO know don't you that smallpox is kept alive in a lab in London just in case ? If not do some research, you'll find it.

Psalm 1

Yes, when we talk about the eradication of smallpox we mean in the wild. The samples of smallpox are in guarded labs in the U.S. and Russia and both locations haven't shown any signs of letting it walk out the front door since the 1970s.

The Chinese lab in Wuhan on the other hand is so inept that viruses stored there might as well be considered "in the wild" for all the good their "security" has been.

[Remus]

Yes, when we talk about the eradication of smallpox we mean in the wild. The samples of smallpox are in guarded labs in the U.S. and Russia and both locations haven't shown any signs of letting it walk out the front door since the 1970s.

The Chinese lab in Wuhan on the other hand is so inept that viruses stored there might as well be considered "in the wild" for all the good their "security" has been.

I get your point I'd trust damn near any country other than (melamine in baby formula) China, but we did have those forgotten vials of small pox sitting in a cardboard box a few years back.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/forgotten-vials-of-smallpox-found-in-storage-room

[SonofWWIIDI]

Wow, that sucks.

Especially since all other previous flu viruses have been eradicated.

[HibikiR]

I get your point I'd trust damn near any country other than (melamine in baby formula) China, but we did have those forgotten vials of small pox sitting in a cardboard box a few years back.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/forgo...n-storage-room

I get your point there, but those were stored in melted glass vials making it unchanged since the 1950s and susceptible to tried and true vaccines that crushed that virus worldwide.

[Dirtlaw]

I'm not a medical doctor so I can't speak to what all of this means health-wise. My concern is how this is all handled by government. Whether it is an unusually bad killer or just the flu isn't what has me concerned at the moment. COVID has been a nifty tool, to have entire populations self-isolate, it has placed somewhat of a stranglehold on religion, and it is destroying private enterprise (at least those that exist on a small scale). The last year has seen our booming economy humbled. I can only imagine the damage ten years of this will cause. I think it will be something that dramatically changes society throughout the world.

[Endless]

There have been different strains of Corona virus known since the mid-60s and it is estimated that strains have been around for over 100 years or longer. We have a new strain just about every year. It is a cold virus. The vaccine is only a safe guard to lessen the chance of getting Covid, just like a flu shot does for the flu. It isn’t a cure.
I won’t get into politics but it is nothing new.

Correct.

And also folks that get sick every year form the flu are the same ones that will be susceptible to Covid-19 and will be hit the hardest with COVID-19.

I never get the flu and haven't in 30+ years but I also worked in the medical field for decades and treated a lot of sick folks. Never had issues. I have been in close proximity to folks with active covid and never got it and never tested positive for it. So for me there are probably a lot of us that won't ever get it. Our immune systems and O negative blood types help out tremendously making Covid-19 a non-issue for us and we can't and won't get infected, regardless of exposure limits. I am ok with that. Just sucks for millions of people around the world that this virus won't be going anywhere soon for folks with health issues and weak blood type.

[joepamjohn]

I think it will be more like forever. It's never going away. About the best we can hope for is that it evolves to a less virulent variety, and that we adapt to it.

There is really no other possibility.

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Ten more years of lockdowns?

[Paul_R]

It will be with us forever, continuously mutating, just like the Spanish flu. And totalitarian government will continue to use it as a weapon of psychological warfare as long as people are stupid enough to believe their lies and propaganda

[M1NM]

That's not true, though.
IIRC the last community transmission case of polio was in like 1992. Smallpox... in the early 70s? Measles has been trying to make a comeback due to declining vaccination in schools, but even so it's very rare (and note that Measles is waaay more contagious than even COVID19 - something like an R0 of 16).

So it needn't be assumed to be impossible to eradicate.

In the 1st world. Some 3rd world countries still have random outbreaks of old diseases.

[HibikiR]

Some 3rd world countries still have random outbreaks of old diseases.

Polio yes, smallpox no.

[TrappedinCalifornia]

I'm not a medical doctor so I can't speak to what all of this means health-wise. My concern is how this is all handled by government. Whether it is an unusually bad killer or just the flu isn't what has me concerned at the moment. COVID has been a nifty tool, to have entire populations self-isolate, it has placed somewhat of a stranglehold on religion, and it is destroying private enterprise (at least those that exist on a small scale). The last year has seen our booming economy humbled. I can only imagine the damage ten years of this will cause. I think it will be something that dramatically changes society throughout the world.

I just noted something along those lines in a thread that's been running a week in the California 2nd Amendment section. The gist of it being that a new "thing" is being 'discovered' as a potential ramification of "COVID" in a very few (comparatively) patients, potentially linked to ""

The resultant psychosis (whether caused by ventilators, hospital stays, drug treatments, or the virus) being a 'threat' to gun ownership is the subject of the thread. But, as I and others have talked about, from the beginning of this, there has always been a concern that...

In that sense, it's not just about "hospital" stays or ventilator use or, in some respects, even about COVID. It's about USING some of the effects of COVID in a comparatively few patients, coupling it with pre-existing social issues that they can deflect blame to COVID over and pushing a long held agenda. Just like what has been happening at so many levels with a great number of things; something many of us expressed concern regarding months ago on this site in relation to COVID potentially being used as a 'cover' for... other things... that couldn't be pushed through under 'normal' circumstances.

The shame of it is that such is pretty much the problem we see in this section of the site. People see the virus and focus on the medical aspects, while other see the use/abuse of 'emergency powers' and how COVID is being utilized as a 'fig leaf' for nefarious ends and we end up lashing out at each other; pushing a particular viewpoint. In the end, BOTH are 'true,' up to a point.

The virus is real and so are the nefarious machinations. With pushing from either position as "THE" problem to be dealt with, more or less exclusively, what gets squeezed is an effective response to both. It's what most are getting at when they lament the "politicized" aspects of this whole thing.

What should happen is that the virus is addressed in the most direct/effective manner while the other is guarded against, mitigated, and/or halted in the same manner. In reality, there are many circumstances where a 'compromise' becomes necessary and any 'compromise' creates vulnerabilities; to both the virus and the nefariousness. Unfortunately, the incoming Administration represents those who've seen COVID, in your words, as "a nifty tool" for what we see as nefarious machinations. The real problem is the question of whether there's an inverse relationship to effectively dealing with the virus effectively and use of the virus as such a tool for nefarious ends.

That seems to be the core of the thread; i.e., are they going to keep the virus 'alive' for the indefinite time needed to accomplish their ends. Politically/demographically/culturally, it's an open question given the general "impatience" of Americans and the propensity for far too many to not only see Government as an 'answer,' but to feed such a belief with any 'success' which can be tied to or be perceived as associated with Government actions. This is the political problem Trump faced; i.e., the Left did not want "the Right" to been seen as the form of Government associated with 'success' against the virus. It's why, for the media, it's still an open issue as to how much, if any, 'credit' should be ascribed to the Trump Administration in terms of the vaccines. It's also at the root of the continuing saga of the stimulus package.

Is there a way to deal with BOTH the virus AND the nefarious machinations? I'd say "yes," but with the following caveat... There are going to be times where 'compromise' (be it fundamental rights or perceived, medical 'necessity') is going to be essential. Unfortunately, the "trust" that would be required for such compromises to be deemed 'acceptable' is not present in society at the moment. Thus, I'm not sure that such a way is currently achievable; meaning we're gonna have to learn to live (and/or die) with "one or the other" for the time being and hope that the mitigation of treatments, vaccines, etc. buy us enough time to deal with both the virus and the machinations.

Otherwise...

[Notpc]

yeah viruses never really go away.

SARS-1.0

Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) is a respiratory illness that affected many people worldwide in 2003. It was caused by a coronavirus, called SARS-associated coronavirus (SARS-CoV). SARS was first reported in Asia in February 2003. The illness spread to 29 countries, where 8,096 people got SARS and 774 of them died. The SARS global outbreak was contained in July 2003. Since 2004, there have not been any known cases of SARS reported anywhere in the world.

https://www.cdc.gov/dotw/sars/index.html

[Sousuke]

SARS-1.0


https://www.cdc.gov/dotw/sars/index.html

That was stopped early. This will be endemic to the population but its not a reason to panic. We are following the 1918 playbook almost to the T. We are currently in the second wave which is the worst, next fall there will be a weaker wave and from there it will have mini waves in 2022 and 2023 and by then people outside of the medical field will have forgotten all about it.

[Dirtlaw]

I just noted something along those lines in a thread that's been running a week in the California 2nd Amendment section. The gist of it being that a new "thing" is being 'discovered' as a potential ramification of "COVID" in a very few (comparatively) patients, potentially linked to ""

The resultant psychosis (whether caused by ventilators, hospital stays, drug treatments, or the virus) being a 'threat' to gun ownership is the subject of the thread. But, as I and others have talked about, from the beginning of this, there has always been a concern that...



The shame of it is that such is pretty much the problem we see in this section of the site. People see the virus and focus on the medical aspects, while other see the use/abuse of 'emergency powers' and how COVID is being utilized as a 'fig leaf' for nefarious ends and we end up lashing out at each other; pushing a particular viewpoint. In the end, BOTH are 'true,' up to a point.

The virus is real and so are the nefarious machinations. With pushing from either position as "THE" problem to be dealt with, more or less exclusively, what gets squeezed is an effective response to both. It's what most are getting at when they lament the "politicized" aspects of this whole thing.

What should happen is that the virus is addressed in the most direct/effective manner while the other is guarded against, mitigated, and/or halted in the same manner. In reality, there are many circumstances where a 'compromise' becomes necessary and any 'compromise' creates vulnerabilities; to both the virus and the nefariousness. Unfortunately, the incoming Administration represents those who've seen COVID, in your words, as "a nifty tool" for what we see as nefarious machinations. The real problem is the question of whether there's an inverse relationship to effectively dealing with the virus effectively and use of the virus as such a tool for nefarious ends.

That seems to be the core of the thread; i.e., are they going to keep the virus 'alive' for the indefinite time needed to accomplish their ends. Politically/demographically/culturally, it's an open question given the general "impatience" of Americans and the propensity for far too many to not only see Government as an 'answer,' but to feed such a belief with any 'success' which can be tied to or be perceived as associated with Government actions. This is the political problem Trump faced; i.e., the Left did not want "the Right" to been seen as the form of Government associated with 'success' against the virus. It's why, for the media, it's still an open issue as to how much, if any, 'credit' should be ascribed to the Trump Administration in terms of the vaccines. It's also at the root of the continuing saga of the stimulus package.

Is there a way to deal with BOTH the virus AND the nefarious machinations? I'd say "yes," but with the following caveat... There are going to be times where 'compromise' (be it fundamental rights or perceived, medical 'necessity') is going to be essential. Unfortunately, the "trust" that would be required for such compromises to be deemed 'acceptable' is not present in society at the moment. Thus, I'm not sure that such a way is currently achievable; meaning we're gonna have to learn to live (and/or die) with "one or the other" for the time being and hope that the mitigation of treatments, vaccines, etc. buy us enough time to deal with both the virus and the machinations.

Otherwise...

I agree with much of this. But what has me troubled is whether the new administration, now that it has what would appear to be the "upper hand," continue as before with the destruction of the nation's private enterprise. A huge economic downturn would seem to be to the new administration's disadvantage given the next election cycle. On the other hand, if they are full blown into destroying the existing system maybe such a move makes sense even though it will cause pain to the masses. It may depend on whether they are confident that they can blame such problems on the past administration or some other boogie man such as conservative gun owners, Israel, Christians or whomever they tag with that label.

[Notpc]

That was stopped early. This will be endemic to the population but its not a reason to panic. We are following the 1918 playbook almost to the T. We are currently in the second wave which is the worst, next fall there will be a weaker wave and from there it will have mini waves in 2022 and 2023 and by then people outside of the medical field will have forgotten all about it.

How? A vaccine was never released, and yet POOF, gone.