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  • #91
    SAN compnerd
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • May 2009
    • 4725

    Originally posted by nickCabinetguy


    Wear your mask. It’s better than a vaccine. Leave me alone.
    Most libs aren't smart enough to unpack what this 'doctor' said. See at the time the existing knowledge of flu vaccine effectiveness was about 30% since it's just a guess what strain to vaccinate for each year and they mostly guess wrong.

    Then we had several universities do some 'studies' on what masks do the best at filtering particles. Note that there is zero correlation between a masks ability to filter and if they slow the spread of disease, those two things must be studied differently and there was no study that showed mask effectiveness and stopping or slowing the spread, but for Dr. Redfield that didn't matter, he just figured he would bafflem em with BS and made that statement as if there was a correlation between mask filtering ability, which was reported to be about 30% with the typical surgical mask and so he tells the public that this is true and the mask gives you 30% protection like a vaccine.

    This is utter, total and complete disinformation with zero science behind it, but that matters not to the useful idiots who can't wait to comply with the next totalitarian edict from on high.

    If masks were even minimally effective then the Danemask study of 6000 people seeking to answer the question of if masks reduce community spread would have come up with at least a minimally statistically significant result. it did not and in fact the outcome was orders of magnitude less than the statistically significant threshold.

    Redfield, like Fauci, is lying to the public, he's just not admitting it like Fauci does.
    Last edited by SAN compnerd; 12-29-2020, 11:48 AM.
    "I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." - Thomas Jefferson, 1824

    Originally posted by SAN compnerd
    When the middle east descends into complete chaos in 2-3 years due in part to the actions of this administration I'll necro post about how clueless I was.

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    • #92
      SAN compnerd
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • May 2009
      • 4725

      Updated CDC guidlines.

      Exposure to

      Person with COVID-19 who has symptoms (in the period from 2 days before symptom onset until they meet criteria for discontinuing home isolation; can be laboratory-confirmed or a clinically compatible illness)

      Person who has tested positive for COVID-19 (laboratory confirmed) but has not had any symptoms (in the 2 days before the date of specimen collection until they meet criteria for discontinuing home isolation).

      Note: This is irrespective of whether the person with COVID-19 or the contact was wearing a mask or whether the contact was wearing respiratory personal protective equipment (PPE)
      Note: This is irrespective of whether the person with COVID-19 or the contact was wearing a mask or whether the contact was wearing respiratory personal protective equipment

      Note: This is irrespective of whether the person with COVID-19 or the contact was wearing a mask or whether the contact was wearing respiratory personal protective equipment

      Note: This is irrespective of whether the person with COVID-19 or the contact was wearing a mask or whether the contact was wearing respiratory personal protective equipment



      What exactly is the CDC trying to say here? I thought the idea of wearing the mask was to protect you from getting the wuflu? Now they say it doesn't matter under the above circumstances, the same circumstances which we have been told for months that it does protect you?

      "I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." - Thomas Jefferson, 1824

      Originally posted by SAN compnerd
      When the middle east descends into complete chaos in 2-3 years due in part to the actions of this administration I'll necro post about how clueless I was.

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      • #93
        duenor
        Vendor/Retailer
        • Mar 2007
        • 4617

        Originally posted by nickCabinetguy
        Pour it in through...

        [ATTACH]969174[/ATTACH]
        Your signature line says you don't have a mask, you've been posting for months about how masks are for sheep and how they don't work, and yet here you are posting a picture of your mask - and not just some freedom cloth mask, but a full on NIOSH respirator.

        SMH. So you've been spreading misinformation, telling all the rubes how they should rip off those masks, and here you are taking care of yourself nicely.
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        • #94
          Scota4570
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2006
          • 1719

          Originally posted by UCT
          https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-72798-7

          And the message has been wear a mask to protect others, which has caused people to believe they can go out if sick as long as they wear the mask
          From the linked study:
          Surprisingly, wearing an unwashed single layer t-shirt (U-SL-T) mask while breathing yielded a significant increase in measured particle emission rates compared to no mask, increasing to a median of 0.61 particles/s. The rates for some participants (F1 and F4) exceeded 1 particle/s, representing a 384% increase from the median no-mask value. Wearing a double-layer cotton t-shirt (U-DL-T) mask had no statistically significant effect on the particle emission rate, with comparable median and range to that observed with no mask.

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          • #95
            SAN compnerd
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
            CGN Contributor
            • May 2009
            • 4725

            Originally posted by bigmike82
            Bureaucrats *aren't* telling you that you are sick. You're trying to imply that they are because the mask push is designed more for people who are asymptomatic. No bureaucrat is making a decision whether you're sick or not. That's simply silly. <snip>
            That is absolutely what the bureaucrats are telling you, you are sick!!! You can't trust your own body to tell you that you are sick!!! Therefore we unelected bureaucrats must tell you that you are sick right now!!! This very moment and you must wear a mask to prevent you spreading this disease to others.

            They are telling you that you are a threat to others safety because you don't know if you are sick.

            Franklin warned about giving up liberty for some temporary or perceived security.

            Paine didn't just warn, he gave an ultimatum. Give me liberty or give me death.

            I can't quite decide if you are just ignorant of the guidance of our founders, or if you have just chosen to ignore their timeless advice.


            Your grasp of what's happening seems tenuous at best.

            Here's a paper that looks at half a dozen studies on masks and asks the important question, what is the minimum infectious dose, or MID.

            There are typically 10 to 3rd power − 10 to 7th power virions per aerolized influenza droplet with diameter 1 μm − 10 μmif anything gets through (and it always does, irrespective of the mask), then you are going to be infected. Masks cannot possibly work. It is not surprising, therefore, that no bias-free study has ever found a benefit from wearing a mask or respirator in this application.
            https://www.technocracy.news/censore...sks-dont-work/

            1 nanometer particle/droplet can carry enough virons to infect a person. The N95 can filter out most particles over 300 nanometers.

            That sock tied to your face just makes you look silly and none of the 'experts' are telling people to wear only N95 for maximum (read no) protection.
            Last edited by SAN compnerd; 12-29-2020, 12:16 PM.
            "I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." - Thomas Jefferson, 1824

            Originally posted by SAN compnerd
            When the middle east descends into complete chaos in 2-3 years due in part to the actions of this administration I'll necro post about how clueless I was.

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            • #96
              bigbossman
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Dec 2012
              • 11017

              Originally posted by duenor
              SMH. So you've been spreading misinformation, telling all the rubes how they should rip off those masks, and here you are taking care of yourself nicely.
              How do you know that's his mask?

              Talk about SMH.
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              • #97
                duenor
                Vendor/Retailer
                • Mar 2007
                • 4617

                Originally posted by bigbossman
                How do you know that's his mask?
                Talk about SMH.
                Read his post.
                Originally Posted by nickCabinetguy View Post
                Sitting at a bar right now enjoying a beer. My chair is high and I have no food. Wish me luck!
                Pour it in through...

                I thought that’s what the flap was for?
                Photo is of a mask in front of a beer.
                Last edited by duenor; 12-29-2020, 2:42 PM.
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                • #98
                  bigbossman
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Dec 2012
                  • 11017

                  Originally posted by duenor
                  Read his post.


                  Photo is of a mask in front of a beer.
                  I did read it. Twice. You assume facts not in evidence.
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                  • #99
                    therealnickb
                    King- Lifetime
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Oct 2011
                    • 8918

                    Little d is on ignore. But since it was quoted, I’ll clarify and rewind a bit.

                    First. I’ve never told anyone to rip off their mask. Quite the opposite. Wear one if you’re vulnerable or even just scared by the news. But leave me the heck alone.

                    Second. Not sure how a mask laid on a bar is “protecting me nicely”. But that’s a typical twisted response by little d which is why it’s on ignore.

                    Third. Yep that’s my mask. But I’ve never used the straps. It just sits on my nose when necessary to keep people like little d from passing out with fear. I had it with me yesterday only because I hadn’t been at that bar in a long time and didn’t know what their entry policy was. They didn’t have a policy since they are flat out defying the closure orders. So, no mask worn.

                    And since I’ve gone this far. Here’s a question for you little d. Did you have any luck courting the beavers? Or did they ignore you too?

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                    • bigbossman
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Dec 2012
                      • 11017

                      If I recall correctly - he claimed expertise with sheep, but wanted to know more about how to seduce a beaver. Must be a specialist, I guess.
                      Always looking for vintage Winchester and Marlin lever action rifles. Looking to sell? Know of one for sale? Drop me a line!

                      "Give a conservative a pile of bricks and you get a beautiful city. Give a leftist a city and you get a pile of bricks."

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                      • duenor
                        Vendor/Retailer
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 4617

                        Originally posted by nickCabinetguy
                        First. I’ve never told anyone to rip off their mask. Quite the opposite. Wear one if you’re vulnerable or even just scared by the news. But leave me the heck alone.
                        You've been helping spread the misinformation that masks don't work for a while. Yet, there you are with a full-on NIOSH respirator. The "I don't use the straps" is like Clinton saying "but I didn't inhale". Whatever, man.
                        Basic hygiene works. Masks don’t matter.
                        No, it’s the masks silly. See, masks work. Just not on the covid.
                        Originally Posted by krb View Post
                        Actually CDC published a study in May reviewing previous epidemics and concluded masks are ineffective. ..."
                        Bingo
                        Last edited by duenor; 12-29-2020, 6:41 PM.
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                        • SanDiego619
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jan 2013
                          • 11883

                          Originally posted by duenor
                          You've been helping spread the misinformation that masks don't work for a while. Yet, there you are with a NIOSH respirator. The "I don't use the straps" is like Clinton saying "but I didn't inhale". Whatever, man.
                          Masks don't work, they are stupid the virus isn't dangerous.
                          Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty.

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                          • Sousuke
                            Veteran Member
                            • Mar 2012
                            • 3786

                            Its also probably not blocking particulate as much as advertised anymore, Those creases on both sides are weak points in the mask now. The fabric these use loses its effectiveness when its bent or folded.
                            Everyone on Calguns keeps talking about TDS. I never knew we had so many fish keepers!

                            The TDS on my 10gallon tanks 110ppm
                            The TDS on my 29 gallon tank is 150ppm (due to substrate)

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                            • therealnickb
                              King- Lifetime
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 8918

                              Originally posted by Sousuke
                              Its also probably not blocking particulate as much as advertised anymore, Those creases on both sides are weak points in the mask now. The fabric these use loses its effectiveness when its bent or folded.

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