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  • Dan_Eastvale
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Apr 2013
    • 10088

    COVID Overcount Is Irresponsible

    They should not be able to chalk up a COVID case based on symptoms without a test...
    Irresponsible.

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    Scota4570
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2006
    • 1719

    Originally posted by Dan_Eastvale
    They should not be able to chalk up a COVID case based on symptoms without a test...
    Irresponsible.

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    Of course it is. Contact tracing is also considered a "case". The obsession with counting cases is calculated psychological terrorism.

    IMHO the people doing this suffer from TDS or are communists. They will do anything to further their agenda. They are amoral. They probably see the deception as justifiable to achieve what they consider necessary. They are playing a very dangerous game that could go terribly wrong. In the end they will be heroes or useful idiots depending on how it shakes out. Or worse, for them, the collaborators are normally murdered when the communist regime takes power.

    We will know how this will turn out in a week.

    Sorry to strain the forum rules but, covid has been weaponized for political purposes, there is no way around it.
    Last edited by Scota4570; 10-27-2020, 6:56 PM.

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    • #3
      ibanezfoo
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Apr 2007
      • 11720

      Originally posted by Dan_Eastvale
      They should not be able to chalk up a COVID case based on symptoms without a test...
      Irresponsible.

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      Yeah but how else are you going to pump those numbers up and make everyone fearful?
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      • #4
        duenor
        Vendor/Retailer
        • Mar 2007
        • 4617

        Would you prefer to look only at hospitalizations instead?
        After a week of record-breaking COVID-19 case counts and hospitalizations, Gov. Gary Herbert on Tuesday again implored Utahns to follow the new restrictions and guidelines implemented two weeks ago, including a mask mandate for gatherings in most counties.

        On Friday, University of Utah Health officials pleaded for help stemming the disease spread as the system’s ICUs were 99% full, causing doctors to reschedule important surgeries to make room for COVID-19 patients. U. Health’s intensive care usage rose to 101% capacity the next day before falling slightly over the weekend. On Tuesday, the system’s ICUs were 94% full.
        The president of Utah's hospital association warns Utah may soon reach its maximum occupancy for ICU beds. Here's what you need to know if hospitals do run out of space.

        It's why Bell met with Gov. Gary Herbert and state health department officials last week to discuss the Crisis Standards of Care Guidelines — a list of procedures for medical providers to follow in the case of an emergency that overwhelms medical facilities — and when hospitals might need to implement it. If enacted, it's a plan for determining when some patients might be denied care or moved out of ICU beds to make room for others who might have better outcomes.
        “Our hospitals are nearing their full capacity both in treating COVID-19 patients and nonCOVID-19 patients. This means that our hospitals are getting dangerously close to having to ration care as they try to provide quality care to all who need it,” Herbert said.
        Maybe the irresponsible thing is encouraging others to believe that the virus is not real, that masks and distancing are unnecessary, and that those who choose to take mitigating action are fools and sheep.
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        • #5
          Scota4570
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2006
          • 1719

          So, like Sweden.....

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          • #6
            Dan_Eastvale
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Apr 2013
            • 10088

            Counting a non tested case is like saying you are guilty until proven innocent.
            As for Utah, schools are open... normal class sizes, restaurants open and trick or treat is on.
            Individual COVID cases do not shut the school down like in March.. Can't operate like that.
            Europe's approach failed as they're going to total lockdown again... This time with massive public opposition.

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            Last edited by Dan_Eastvale; 10-27-2020, 7:27 PM.

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            • #7
              subscriber
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2011
              • 929

              Global stats, and how to interpret them - properly:

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              • #8
                Scota4570
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2006
                • 1719

                Originally posted by subscriber
                Global stats, and how to interpret them - properly:

                Because that link is fact based and educational I think it should be a sticky.

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                • #9
                  subscriber
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 929

                  Originally posted by Scota4570
                  Because that link is fact based and educational I think it should be a sticky.
                  It is a thread, here: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1661179

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                  • #10
                    DGoodale
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                    CGN Contributor
                    • Nov 2003
                    • 1168

                    Originally posted by Scota4570
                    ...Contact tracing is also considered a "case"...
                    Link / cite? I have not heard that but it's entirely possible.

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                    • #11
                      SAN compnerd
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                      CGN Contributor
                      • May 2009
                      • 4725

                      Originally posted by Dan_Eastvale
                      They should not be able to chalk up a COVID case based on symptoms without a test...
                      Irresponsible.

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                      You misspelled intentional.
                      "I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." - Thomas Jefferson, 1824

                      Originally posted by SAN compnerd
                      When the middle east descends into complete chaos in 2-3 years due in part to the actions of this administration I'll necro post about how clueless I was.

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                      • #12
                        Scota4570
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 1719

                        Originally posted by DGoodale
                        Link / cite? I have not heard that but it's entirely possible.


                        A COVID-19 case includes confirmed and probable cases and deaths. This change was made to reflect an interim COVID-19 position pdf iconexternal icon statement issued by the Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists on April 5, 2020. The position statement included a case definition and made COVID-19 a nationally notifiable disease.

                        A probable case or death is defined as:

                        A person meeting clinical criteria AND epidemiologic evidence with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID-19;
                        A person meeting presumptive laboratory evidence AND either clinical criteria OR epidemiologic evidence;
                        A person meeting vital records criteria with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID-19.

                        Maybe the CDC links should be stickies? I have posted them several times...

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                        • #13
                          DolphinFan
                          Veteran Member
                          • Dec 2012
                          • 2580

                          Excellent video
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                          • #14
                            Ivanhoe
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 577

                            Originally posted by DolphinFan
                            Excellent video
                            +1 ^^

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