Covid deaths plummet

[bigbossman]

This keeps getting parroted, but every time I ask for a source, I get the same group of 3-4 people attacking me and then refusing to provide credible sources.

Do you want to be the one who changes that?

All over the web, man. Don't be lazy, do your own searches if you want to know the truth and not just freak out.

But, here... this'll get you started:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/04/25/coronavirus-death-toll-hard-track-1-3-death-certificates-wrong/3020778001/

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/05/15/colorado-covid-coronavirus-counting-deaths-fatalities/

https://coloradosun.com/2020/05/15/colorado-coronavirus-death-certificate/

A sample, salient quote:

New York City on Tuesday reported a coronavirus death toll total topping 10,000 people after adding an additional category for who is counted. The city reported the deaths of 3,778 people who were never tested or hospitalized for the virus, but whose death appeared to be due to COVID-19 symptoms. The death certificates for these victims list the cause of death as "COVID-19 or an equivalent.

TRANSLATION: "He's dead, looks like the Kung-Flu must have got him. Add it to the count."

[bigbossman]

Still no response from you, then? Wow. Keep up the political bickering on the graves on 110,000 dead Americans. That's very patriotic of you.

Yeah I'm dancing on the graves of dead Americans, you got me.

Looks to me like the Tuna fellow is the one waving the bloody rag about, trying to use it to dissuade reasoned discussion. Diane Fienstein used to wave the bloody rag around too, when pushing for more gun control. Sure beats having to come up with a cogent argument, and it appeals to low information bystanders.

[DJD100]

Will anyone achieve 'herd immunity'? Will there ever be a vaccine? No one knows - there has never been a human vaccine for a corona virus. There is also no long term immunity against a corona virus.

Either we stay locked up and die inside our homes, or roll the dice and get on with life. I've chosen to go with the latter option instead of living in fear.

True, though CA is already open for the most part, with some restrictions still in place depending on crowd size and their ability to socially distance etc. This is very rough on pro sports and pro entertainment, and will continue to be for a while due to the crowd sizes.

So no, you don't have to stay locked up, though you should practice social distancing and wear a mask when you cannot maintain social distancing around those not in your immediate household.

It's really not that hard to try and manage the transmission of SARS CoV-2 with respect to other people, while still going about the majority of your normal life in most cases. The problem of course is the exponential spread.

If you want to look cool keep your cowboy/bandit bandana on and just pull it up when you need it, and if you need to be safer have a respirator mask in your pocket along with some hand sanitizer and throw-away gloves.

I'm semi-retired and train German Shepherds so I already had the hand sanitizer and throw-away gloves LOL, just needed to add a respirator mask/bandit bandana to my rig.

[ACfixer]

Looks to me like the Tuna fellow is the one waving the bloody rag about, trying to use it to try dissuade reasoned discussion. Diane Fienstein used to wave the bloody rag around too, when pushing for more gun control. Sure beats having to come up with a cogent argument, and it appeals to low information bystanders.

I couldn't have said it better, but I'm not going to waste time trying to convince him of that.

[bigbossman]

Mass looters, rioters and protestors cured covid! Amazing!!

Yeah - mask/no mask and social distancing is really a moot point now, what with all the swarms of folks running around in large groups touching everything. Say "goodbye" to any hope of contact tracing.

[Scota4570]

Couple of thing to consider. The total death count, over time, is not impacted by social counter measures. The idea of flattening the curve became an anti Trump weapon so it was continued forever. It was supposed to be only two weeks to prevent overloading the hospitals. No matter what we did the total number of illnesses will be the same. The are under the curve, total death, is the same. Tall pointy peak or wide round hill, the area is the same.

Second, we do not have a control group so we will never know if counter measures had any effect. IT is invalid to assume wearing masks and being anti social saved lives. Everyone has or will be exposed to the virus at some point. Their outcome as a patient is predetermined. Get sick now or later, it has no effect. Not overloading the medical resources could make a difference. We checked that box a long time ago.

An absurd example of this concept goes like this. Every one who ate carrots in 1901 is dead. Therefore, carrots cause death.

Finally check the CDC website. The weekly death total is down again. We are almost at baseline. Time to stop the stupidity and get back to normal life, IMHO.

[ACfixer]

Couple of thing to consider. The total death count, over time, is not impacted by social counter measures. The idea of flattening the curve became an anti Trump weapon so it was continued forever. It was supposed to be only two weeks to prevent overloading the hospitals. No matter what we did the total number of illnesses will be the same. The are under the curve, total death, is the same. Tall pointy peak or wide round hill, the area is the same.

I have been saying this since early March Scota, most people cannot get this through their thick head.

[RobinGoodfellow]

The Narrative

LOL, the Freakers are going to be so upset!!!

Yeah, it's a shame about the narrative.

[as_rocketman]

Couple of thing to consider. The total death count, over time, is not impacted by social counter measures. The idea of flattening the curve became an anti Trump weapon so it was continued forever. It was supposed to be only two weeks to prevent overloading the hospitals. No matter what we did the total number of illnesses will be the same. The are under the curve, total death, is the same. Tall pointy peak or wide round hill, the area is the same.

No, that's patently false. One of the bigger problems with SARS-CoV-2 isn't the fatality rate -- which is still somewhat disputed but nontrivial -- but, instead, the hospitalization rate. The whole point of "curve flattening" is to keep infections at a level the health care system can handle, or else a large proportion of those hospitalizations become fatalities. This is part of why the USA has come out better than Europe, and in some ways even Japan... our health care system is vastly more expensive than theirs, but in return, it is better resourced.

Finally check the CDC website. The weekly death total is down again. We are almost at baseline. Time to stop the stupidity and get back to normal life, IMHO.

Not a good idea to treat this so homogenously. There are many areas in the nation where rates are low and the above advice is reasonable. In others, this isn't so. Some places, unfortunately including where I live, rates are higher than ever, still increasing, and accelerating. This disaster can be managed better, but it calls for active management, not denial.

[Scota4570]

No, that's patently false. One of the bigger problems with SARS-CoV-2 isn't the fatality rate -- which is still somewhat disputed but nontrivial -- but, instead, the hospitalization rate. The whole point of "curve flattening" is to keep infections at a level the health care system can handle, or else a large proportion of those hospitalizations become fatalities. This is part of why the USA has come out better than Europe, and in some ways even Japan... our health care system is vastly more expensive than theirs, but in return, it is better resourced.



Not a good idea to treat this so homogenously. There are many areas in the nation where rates are low and the above advice is reasonable. In others, this isn't so. Some places, unfortunately including where I live, rates are higher than ever, still increasing, and accelerating. This disaster can be managed better, but it calls for active management, not denial.

Look a the CDC PDF I linked to. California is green. That indicates minimal covid and covid like activity. The CDC admits it is over.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/pdf/covidview-06-05-2020.pdf

Page 6

At this point wearing useless masks, rubber gloves, and the social distancing is foolishness. It is like wearing a condom to the high school dance, "just in case I get lucky".

[as_rocketman]

Look a the CDC map I linked to. California is green. That indicates minimal covid and covid like activity. The CDC admits it is over.

Surely you can't be that simple. California is not a monolith. You would be hard pressed to find a more diverse country of its size.

At the county level, there are five counties that have yet to report a single infection. But there are others, obviously including LA, that are not in good shape at all.

One size fits all, right? All Californians should behave the same, right? That's your proposal?

[LBDamned]

Mass looters, rioters and protestors cured covid! Amazing!!

And there will be something else to quell that problem - it will be just as controversial as the previous two issues - and yes, it will be equally political.

Its as if I've already read the book.

[Scota4570]

I have no problem with anyone taking any voluntary "safety measures" that they choose. They can stay home forever, wear a mask alone in their car, or a tin foil hat. That is freedom.

Taking away my freedom of association, insisting I wear a mask, and forcing me to cower at home, is stealing my freedom. That is not acceptable.

The CDC data shows that the risks are now insignificant. Taking another's freedom over imaginary virus partials is wrong.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

Updated: 2/3 rds down the page, "Influenza-Like Illness (ILI) Activity Level Indicator Determined by Data Reported to ILINet"

Nottice the whole country has "minimal" activity. It is all dark green, they do not have a lower category. Only Idaho has "low activity".

I repeat, it is over. Any further restrictions are political manipulations.