Covid deaths plummet

[SanDiego619]

Hey, the death rate plummeting would be a fantastic thing! We're up to 110,000 of our countrymen dead, because some dude in China decided to eat a bat.

Nobody can truly know right now whether or not social distancing was the right move. We don't know enough about the virus yet. We'll likely learn in the coming months and years whether the recent "flattening of the curve" was due to our social distancing measures, or if it was just an inevitable outcome anyways.

Anyone who claims to know the answer to that question on either side is pushing a political agenda and is not to be trusted.

We might have some evidence on the effectiveness of social distancing in 3-4 weeks, if there is no spike after all this non-social-distancing them maybe it was not necessary. If there is a big spike, then maybe it was working!

I will be back on 4th of July to see what happened. (if I don't forget)

[DJD100]

Hey, the death rate plummeting would be a fantastic thing! We're up to 110,000 of our countrymen dead, because some dude in China decided to eat a bat.

Nobody can truly know right now whether or not social distancing was the right move. We don't know enough about the virus yet. We'll likely learn in the coming months and years whether the recent "flattening of the curve" was due to our social distancing measures, or if it was just an inevitable outcome anyways.

Anyone who claims to know the answer to that question on either side is pushing a political agenda and is not to be trusted.

No, "Social Distancing" was and is no doubt the right move along with testing and contact tracing. It's why we and the rest of the countries that have done it are at roughly a 5% fatality rate, vs Sweden's roughly 10% fatality rate. Currently for the US that's 100,000 fatalities difference, and that number will continue to grow until there's a vaccine or working therapeutic.

That said, whether the entire shut-down was correctly handled is of course open for debate.

[OlderThanDirt]

I didn't know we had a safe space for Karens on Calguns. Carry on.

[sd_shooter]

No, "Social Distancing" was and is no doubt along with testing and contact tracing. It's why we and the rest of the countries that have done it are at roughly a 5% fatality rate, vs Sweden's roughly 10% fatality rate. Currently for the US that's 100,000 fatalities difference, and that number will continue to grow until there's a vaccine or working therapeutic.

That said, whether the entire shut-down was correctly handled is of course open for debate.

You're not understanding how this works. We chose to "flatten the curve", Sweden chose to let the virus run. The final death count is the area under the curve - there's no escape. Our covid epidemic will be less severe than that of Sweden but it will run longer.

They are already done, look at their daily deaths:

[August]

Time will tell.

This is how I look at it. Hoping for the best.

[bigbossman]

The 100,000 Americans who died and the families of those who died MIGHT disagree with your "opinion".

Hey, the death rate plummeting would be a fantastic thing! We're up to 110,000 of our countrymen dead, because some dude in China decided to eat a bat.

"100k dead from the virus" gets used a lot for arguments fin favor of the lock-down. But as has been demonstrated over and over, that number has been grossly inflated.

Grossly Inflated.

[ACfixer]

Whoa, stop right there.

How in the world did epidemiology and human biology become a political topic for you?

Have you considered taking a step back and assessing that not everything in this world needs to have a political label slapped on it?

You're out of your mind.

Anyone who claims to know the answer to that question on either side is pushing a political agenda and is not to be trusted.

Why do you always have to make it political?

[tuna quesadilla]

Why do you always have to make it political?

Nice try at being clever, but you missed the mark. Me calling out people for making things needlessly political does not, in and of itself, mean that I am making things political.

It didn't go unnoticed that you completely sidestepped my post and you have nothing substantial to say in response to it.

[tuna quesadilla]

"100k dead from the virus" gets used a lot for arguments fin favor of the lock-down. But as has been demonstrated over and over, that number has been grossly inflated.

Grossly Inflated.

This keeps getting parroted, but every time I ask for a source, I get the same group of 3-4 people attacking me and then refusing to provide credible sources.

Do you want to be the one who changes that?

[ACfixer]

It didn't go unnoticed that you completely sidestepped my post and you have nothing substantial to say in response to it.

Seriously, you want a response to that drivel? You know I had thought about that... you challenging me for calling out CALBAR on a political stance, but it's low hanging fruit.

I didn't really sidestep it so much as brush it off as ridiculous. You refer to disputed numbers as fact, and when you do that any further discussion becomes pretty silly.

[VoR]

The jig is up, the virus isn't as bad as they said. Let's see if our test guineapig rioters caused a spike. I'll bet not.

Been almost 2 weeks since Memorial Day, and they have said Osage Beach has had NO spike, same as other places that partied.
I believe you would win that bet by a long shot

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[tuna quesadilla]

Seriously, you want a response to that drivel? You know I had thought about that... you challenging me for calling out CALBAR on a political stance, but it's low hanging fruit.

I didn't really sidestep it so much as brush it off as ridiculous. You refer to disputed numbers as fact, and when you do that any further discussion becomes pretty silly.

Still no response from you, then? Wow. Keep up the political bickering on the graves on 110,000 dead Americans. That's very patriotic of you.

[DJD100]

You're not understanding how this works. We chose to "flatten the curve", Sweden chose to let the virus run. The final death count is the area under the curve - there's no escape. Our covid epidemic will be less severe than that of Sweden but it will run longer.

They are already done, look at their daily deaths:

Correct, flattening the curve extends it, however Sweden has not come anywhere close to herd immunity by their own admission, so all they have to show for their no-lock down response is double the fatalities.

In a country with the size and population density of a smaller US state their numbers are of course smaller, but here in the US twice the current fatality percentage would be 100,000 "additional" deaths and counting.

[ACfixer]

Still no response from you, then? Wow. Keep up the political bickering on the graves on 110,000 dead Americans. That's very patriotic of you.

Yeah I'm dancing on the graves of dead Americans, you got me.

[sd_shooter]

Still no response from you, then? Wow. Keep up the political bickering on the graves on 110,000 dead Americans. That's very patriotic of you.

There's political and there's political:
- 'Political' on the CGN forum: Kes doesn't want us bashing Trump etc, or intentionally making things political. Hence the new set of rules in the sticky.
- 'Political' nature of the covid, BLM: This is just a fact of life. WE have not made the issues political, but they are. Liberals support the lockdowns, conservatives do not (for the most part)

Correct, flattening the curve extends it, however Sweden has not come anywhere close to herd immunity by their own admission, so all they have to show for their no-lock down response is double the fatalities.

In a country with the size and population density of a smaller US state their numbers are of course smaller, but here in the US twice the current fatality percentage would be 100,000 deaths and counting.

Will anyone achieve 'herd immunity'? Will there ever be a vaccine? No one knows - there has never been a human vaccine for a corona virus. There is also no long term immunity against a corona virus.

Either we stay locked up and die inside our homes, or roll the dice and get on with life. I've chosen to go with the latter option instead of living in fear.