Sweden is getting back to work on Monday!

[ACfixer]

An interesting stat, if we can believe anything right now other than the stats don't jive... Going by population divided by reported cases...

1 out of every 690 people in Sweden has been infected.

1 out of every 423 people in USA has been infected.

Now, how could that be with Sweden's relaxed restrictions?

I'm not making any inferences except that there is no way to compare apples and apples.

[sakosf]

Finland appears to have the lowest rate among the 4 Scandinavian countries.

[sd_shooter]

That's because immigrants don't like the food or weather in Finland

[sigstroker]

Somalis and Syrians don't like fish paste and snow up to the elbows? Who knew?

[stonefly-2]

Silly us, Sweden just ignored the problem and it went away.

What were we thinking eh Shooter?

[gwanghoops]

assuming everything is equal between the US and Sweden (totally not true, but good for arguing), if you scaled up the IHME model numbers to match the US population, Sweden's social distancing model would end up with 185,000 deaths versus the US total lockdown model of around 60,000.

is the economic harm worth the very rough difference of 125,000 deaths?

[sd_shooter]

Silly us, Sweden just ignored the problem and it went away.

What were we thinking eh Shooter?

Except they didn't ignore it, they adopted sensible measures.

assuming everything is equal between the US and Sweden (totally not true, but good for arguing), if you scaled up the IHME model numbers to match the US population, Sweden's social distancing model would end up with 185,000 deaths versus the US total lockdown model of around 60,000.

is the economic harm worth the very rough difference of 125,000 deaths?

IHME model?

[ronlglock]

So we're getting new episodes of the Swedish Chef cooking show?

Hernie vernie blorp blorp...

[gwanghoops]

I read an article or saw a graph on the Internet leading to an unpopular conclusion.

I ignore scientists and don't discuss numbers.

I could be a Democrat.

[stonefly-2]

Except they didn't ignore it, they adopted sensible measures.

Everyone took sensible measures Shooter,

the problem was the limited facts to base them on.

If Sweden realized a better outcome from what they did (which it looks like they did not) then that would be useful information.

What it would not be is vindication of your hysteria.

[sd_shooter]

Everyone took sensible measures Shooter,

the problem was the limited facts to base them on.

If Sweden realized a better outcome from what they did (which it looks like they did not) then that would be useful information.

What it would not be is vindication of your hysteria.

They're still ahead of the game AFAIK. 1580 "covid" deaths, vs 2500 during regular Flu season. Seems to be just fine over there.

Maybe they used actual facts while we used the 2 Million Death Model.

[stonefly-2]

They're still ahead of the game AFAIK. 1580 "covid" deaths, vs 2500 during regular Flu season. Seems to be just fine over there.

Maybe they used actual facts while we used the 2 Million Death Model.

What are the "actual facts"?

Beyond that the strictest quarantine = the least number of deaths little was

known for sure and a model as everyone else seems to know is just a WAG based on assumptions.

But you act as if you were betrayed by that,

bet you were a load of fun to be around when you heard about the Easter bunny.

[sd_shooter]

What are the "actual facts"?

Beyond that the strictest quarantine = the least number of deaths little was

known for sure and a model as everyone else seems to know is just a WAG based on assumptions.

But you act as if you were betrayed by that,

bet you were a load of fun to be around when you heard about the Easter bunny.

The current case/death count is easy to find, no need to rely upon models

I have no idea what they actually used to guide their decision but pretty sure it wasn't IHME

[SW1917]

OP Are you now a fan of socialized medicine as that's part of Sweden's success?

[ACfixer]

OP Are you now a fan of socialized medicine as that's part of Sweden's success?

We've been over this, but look into Sweden's health care program. It's a little different that what you would probably think. And I'm not sure their healthcare structure has much to do with the subject here. Anyway, for years Sweden's medical care has been ranked at or near the top in the world. It's different than ours but it's not full on state run. For-profit companies compete for contracts through regional governments, it's not one size fits all and the consumer has an avenue for complaints and remedies for poor or slow care.

I have relatives there, they've explained it to me and it's really not much different than what we have here by choosing Kaiser, Anthem, Aetna etc... Except they don't have any premiums, that is taken care of by a hefty tax bill.

Like I've said before, different than us... but it seems to work for them just like their government does. My relatives live a good life there. I wouldn't choose it over our government, but they don't have it bad at all. It's just different, but they are for all intents and purposes free citizens to choose their own path in life.