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  • Jason_2111
    Veteran Member
    • Jan 2010
    • 3831

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    SAN compnerd
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • May 2009
    • 4725

    Originally posted by Jason_2111
    Guys,

    I was looking at the mortality numbers this morning. Especially for Italy and Germany.
    As of today, Italy's mortality rate is about 10%... while Germany's is around 0.5%.

    Italy has twice as many cases as Germany (80,539 vs. 43,646).

    So my question for those following what's going on in Europe more closely than me.. is what is it that Germany is doing that Italy isn't doing... or vice versa?

    Then the $64,000 question.. is the US response more like Italy's, or Germany's?
    Population age roughly the same.

    Better medical system. Italy was known for years to have a horrible system until the big push for socialized medicine in the US propagandized that information away. Spain too.

    US Response? Blows the doors off any other nation on the planet, but don't expect it to be covered that way, gotta maintain the propaganda that our system is inferior.
    "I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." - Thomas Jefferson, 1824

    Originally posted by SAN compnerd
    When the middle east descends into complete chaos in 2-3 years due in part to the actions of this administration I'll necro post about how clueless I was.

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    • #3
      sd_shooter
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Dec 2008
      • 13944

      Tons of chinese immigrants in Italy

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        Jason_2111
        Veteran Member
        • Jan 2010
        • 3831

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          jglabe
          Member
          • Jan 2013
          • 415

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            Hoooper
            Veteran Member
            • Dec 2012
            • 2711

            Originally posted by sd_shooter
            Tons of chinese immigrants travel between China and Italy
            ...

            Though I havent seen any evidence to suggest more travel Italy-China than Germany-China

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              Tere_Hanges
              Calguns Addict
              • Mar 2013
              • 6268

              Germany has less people living in crowded family settings. Germany is also well organized, well run, and one of the wealthiest countries. More people in Italy and Spain live together in large extended families. "Mi familia" is crazy with those cultures. All viruses spread quickly in clusters like family, school and work groups. Just wait till it gets into immigrant communities and Latin America.

              I expect that the way it plays out in the US will be regional. Some places that are super crowded like NYC are going to be like Italy. Louisiana is screwed because of mardi gras last month. CA may be more like Germany, since the government "over reacted" and imposed a shelter in place order relatively quickly compared to other regions.
              Last edited by Tere_Hanges; 03-26-2020, 11:37 AM.
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              • #8
                Marauder2003
                Waiting for Abs
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Aug 2010
                • 3008

                Do a YouTube Search on Italian mayors. Watch some of the videos.

                The gist is the populace was generally ignoring the shutdowns.
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                • #9
                  randomBytes
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 1607

                  Italy probably has far more old folk living in same household or close proximity with younger generations, and an overwhelmed health system - socialism!

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                  • #10
                    cleonard
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2011
                    • 958

                    It is because the actual number of infections in Italy is much much larger than the official numbers.

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                    • #11
                      sd_shooter
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 13944

                      Originally posted by Hoooper
                      ...

                      Though I havent seen any evidence to suggest more travel Italy-China than Germany-China
                      A striking overlap exists between the path of today's viral spread and the path of the Black Death in the 1300s.

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                      • #12
                        GlockN'Roll
                        Veteran Member
                        • May 2015
                        • 3704

                        Originally posted by Hoooper
                        ...

                        Though I havent seen any evidence to suggest more travel Italy-China than Germany-China
                        Many companies are using inexpensive immigrant labor to manufacture handbags that bear the coveted “Made in Italy” label. 


                        "The first significant wave of Chinese immigrants arrived in the industrial zone around Prato, a city fifteen miles northwest of Florence, in the nineteen-nineties. "

                        "Throughout the aughts, Chinese continued to show up in Tuscany. A non-stop flight was established between Wenzhou and Rome.
                        Some migrants came with tourist visas and stayed on. "

                        "Prato is believed to have the second-largest Chinese population of any European city, after Paris, and it has the highest proportion of immigrants in Italy, including a large North African population."
                        Real Californian...

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                          Hoooper
                          Veteran Member
                          • Dec 2012
                          • 2711

                          Originally posted by GlockN'Roll
                          https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...ags-in-tuscany

                          "The first significant wave of Chinese immigrants arrived in the industrial zone around Prato, a city fifteen miles northwest of Florence, in the nineteen-nineties. "

                          "Throughout the aughts, Chinese continued to show up in Tuscany. A non-stop flight was established between Wenzhou and Rome.
                          Some migrants came with tourist visas and stayed on. "

                          "Prato is believed to have the second-largest Chinese population of any European city, after Paris, and it has the highest proportion of immigrants in Italy, including a large North African population."
                          Thank you for these two completely useless articles. Neither of these provide any comparison or even useful information in comparing the amount of Germany-China travel to Italy-China travel

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                            speedrrracer
                            Veteran Member
                            • Dec 2011
                            • 3355

                            Originally posted by sd_shooter
                            Tons of chinese immigrants in Italy
                            The connection between Northern Italy (where the outbreak was at its worst) and Wuhan is well-documented.

                            Italy's garment industry jumped into bed with manufacturing in Wuhan, just that simple. It was a financially successful partnership, so much so that 100,000 Chinese moved to Northern Italy and hundreds of thousands of Chinese throughout the whole of Italy. Direct flights to Wuhan were found to be profitable years ago.

                            It's not necessarily a case of governmental reaction (although some do believe so: https://www.foxnews.com/media/newt-g...ea-coronavirus) -- no politician is going to ask for money because "a bunch of Chinese immigrants live in this area, and that nation keeps spitting out new plagues, so we need to be prepared", that's obviously political suicide

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                              GlockN'Roll
                              Veteran Member
                              • May 2015
                              • 3704

                              Originally posted by Hoooper
                              Thank you for these two completely useless articles.

                              Neither of these provide any comparison or even useful information in comparing the amount of Germany-China travel to Italy-China travel
                              Real Californian...

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