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  • Duke Silver
    Junior Member
    • Jun 2016
    • 84

    Originally posted by user120312
    Wasn't there a bruhaha back during PDJT's term where he/his interior secretary wanted to get in and do some forest management more aggressively in states like CA and the state government said nope, it might be your land but it's in our state and our environmental laws control? I seem to remember something about mastication and 'raking the forest', among other things....Forex, if the Feds want to do preventative/control burns in the NF in CA and CA says nope, can the Feds ignore them and burn anyway? We do a fair amount of control burns in Oregon, there's often freeway/highway signage out to tell drivers not to call 9/11 it's a control burn, and much of the Oregon forest land is federally owned
    As much as I dislike her, Diane Feinstein has been trying to get the feds to clean up their California forests for many years. The Sierra Club and other conservation nutjobs always sued to stop her efforts.

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    • Cali-Glock
      In Memoriam
      • Mar 2005
      • 3890

      Just finished a series of text with a firefighter friend (Amador County) who told me that understanding of how to read the structures damage status website was correct, and that it was indicating that it was not listed because it was outside the fire zone itself (it basically circled around me 3200 to 1700 feet with spot fires inside that perimeter) Whoo-hoo!!

      I won't count all my chickens till this is over and I can see it with my own eyes, but I feel pretty good about it!!
      1 Corinthians 2:2

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      • Sierra57
        Veteran Member
        • Dec 2012
        • 4383

        Originally posted by Pinto
        I just drove over the Parrotts Ferry Bridge on Monday where this fire is and NO. I've never seen the reservoir this low. Even a burn pile would be touch and go.



        You can see how low the waterline is from normal.
        It's been a lot lower. About 30 years ago me and a friend drove down the old road, parked and walked across the old bridge. Right now the old bridge is probably still 50-60 ft. under water. It had about 6 inches of sand on the bridge deck, and water was flowing down the old river bed. Lake level started about where the new bridge is now.

        If they keep letting water out at the rate they are, we may see the old bridge some time in the fall.
        ... The liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:
        * Creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
        * Satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;
        * Augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
        * Rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government

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        • Cup of Cheese
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          CGN Contributor
          • Jun 2020
          • 308

          Originally posted by Cali-Glock
          It is FREAKING TERRIFYING. No wonder South Lake Tahoe is freaked out.

          I drew the Orange line on the outside of the named roads. I don't really know Wentworth Springs - so my squiggly is VERY approximate - and not the road itself as it heads east out of Georgetown.


          Control Objectives

          - Keep the fire North of HWY 88 and Shake Ridge Rd
          - Keep the fire South of Wentworth Springs Rd
          - Keep the fire East of E16 and Fiddletown Rd
          - Keep the fire West of HWY 89

          They're drawing the northern line at Wentworth Springs Road? Wow!
          Now my mind is filled with rubber tires, and forest fires
          And whether I'm a liar,
          And lots of other situations where I don't know what to do,
          At which time God screams to me "There's nothing left for me to tell you."

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          • user120312
            Veteran Member
            • Mar 2012
            • 4029

            Originally posted by Cali-Glock
            I won't count all my chickens till this is over and I can see it with my own eyes, but I feel pretty good about it!!
            Glad to read that, hope bullet is dodged; the black turns to green soon enough and life begins anew.

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            • user120312
              Veteran Member
              • Mar 2012
              • 4029

              Originally posted by Sierra57
              If they keep letting water out at the rate they are, we may see the old bridge some time in the fall.
              Here's some drone footage of the old bridge published in 2015

              I have a feeling flooded auto/railroad bridge and tunnel explorers are going to have a bumper crop of experiences this year. Shasta is getting so low I might dive in myself next trip; every time I drive over the bridge I look down and am amazed. Then it's into the black of the various fire scars up there. Miles of black.

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              • Sierra57
                Veteran Member
                • Dec 2012
                • 4383

                Originally posted by Cali-Glock
                I just got off the phone with my buddy who lives just off Caldor Road and who stayed up on the hill until yesterday.

                I picked his brain about the start of the Fire.

                Saturday 8/14: He personally called USFS Saturday about the fire and they told him not to worry.

                Sunday 8/15: He called USFS on got a voice mail and left a message - they called him back Tuesday.

                Monday 8/16: He and his wife walked down Caldor and there was one CalFire command vehicle. He spoke to the guy and asked what the deal was. He said the CalFire guy gave him a bit of a mini-rant about the CalFire/USFS politics and said something like "screw this political BS, in the morning I am going to bring in our crews and tractors and cut a huge line" -and went on to describe what he planned to do in the morning. Several hours later of course the fire blew up and through Grizzly.

                My buddy also recounted the story about other locals talking to the USFS crews on Saturday or Sunday and asking why they were sitting in their trucks, and the crews told them they were told not to go down and fight the fire, but to wait until it got up to them.

                I told him what was said at this evening's Caldor Fire Community meeting about CalFire/USFS cooperation and the claim they were working on scene on day one and my buddy lost it.
                I started hearing stories like this after the Yosemite Rim Fire back in 2013, from a couple of friends who lived in the Groveland area. Of course these bureaucrat baztards are going to lie. Hundreds, maybe thousands of people who live in areas where there been wildfires know they are lying.

                The question is, why are they doing this? By letting fires go until they blow up, they are deliberately risking peoples lives, property and livelyhoods. Tom McClintock is pissed at the USFS policy of let it burn, and needs to hear from people all up and down his congressional district. The idiots making these horrible decisions need to be held accountable and fired.
                ... The liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:
                * Creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
                * Satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;
                * Augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
                * Rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government

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                • Sierra57
                  Veteran Member
                  • Dec 2012
                  • 4383

                  Originally posted by user120312
                  Here's some drone footage of the old bridge published in 2015

                  I have a feeling flooded auto/railroad bridge and tunnel explorers are going to have a bumper crop of experiences this year. Shasta is getting so low I might dive in myself next trip; every time I drive over the bridge I look down and am amazed. Then it's into the black of the various fire scars up there. Miles of black.
                  Neat stuff. I had forgotten the old bridge was out of the water in 2015. I wasn't living up here then, but a couple of my friends told me about it.
                  ... The liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:
                  * Creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
                  * Satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;
                  * Augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
                  * Rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government

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                  • Sierra57
                    Veteran Member
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 4383

                    Originally posted by Cup of Cheese
                    They're drawing the northern line at Wentworth Springs Road? Wow!
                    One of my cousins owns 9 cabins at Fallen Leaf. My brothers and I stayed at one about 5 weeks ago. I bet cousin is started to get worried and pissed and the way this fire is moving closer. When we were there, he and his wife were pissed about the Tamarack Fire that was burning to the south of them.
                    ... The liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:
                    * Creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
                    * Satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;
                    * Augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
                    * Rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government

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                    • Section 101
                      Member
                      • Feb 2013
                      • 244

                      Originally posted by Cup of Cheese
                      They're drawing the northern line at Wentworth Springs Road? Wow!
                      Wentworth springs stops at union valley reservoir. Ice house road goes south.

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                      • Jason_2111
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 3830

                        Originally posted by Cali-Glock
                        Just finished a series of text with a firefighter friend (Amador County) who told me that understanding of how to read the structures damage status website was correct, and that it was indicating that it was not listed because it was outside the fire zone itself (it basically circled around me 3200 to 1700 feet with spot fires inside that perimeter) Whoo-hoo!!

                        I won't count all my chickens till this is over and I can see it with my own eyes, but I feel pretty good about it!!
                        If we both end up unscathed... I'm having you over for a BBQ.

                        Some things I forgot to mention in my earlier update (I was on my phone, for some reason Safari isn't letting me run Calguns)

                        1. The smoke was bad... it was like twilight (and not the sparkly vampires) up on Sly Park. The amount of ash on my property was disturbing... thankfully I had a hold-out neighbor go cut my sun-shade down. I did find a burnt leaf on my front steps... I saved it. I'm going to frame it as a reminder. The mid-day twilight reminded me of the oil fires in Kuwait... but my buddy assured me that "Smoke good, fire bad... if it's heavy smoke, it's not burning really hot".

                        2. They set up a retardant filling station for the choppers at that old poultry farm on Pleasant Valley road... the one with the horses on the gate. I saw choppers come in, drop a hose, suck up more pink snot, then bolt out. While getting my ammo out, we heard choppers about every 3 to 4 minutes... those guys made a hell of a lot of round trips. Suck, fly, dump, fly, suck, repeat. A check of the flight radar showed them bombing my hot spot.... a great relief.

                        3. That pink snot was also manually sprayed all along Sly Park on the telephone poles, big trees, etc. Good thinking.

                        4. A little web research shows that this stuff is nasty... it causes cancer, nuerological issues, etc. If your property has been bombed... you might want to reconsider eating tomatoes out of the garden for a while. (still beats a burnt out husk where your house used to be).

                        5. Next-door is reporting a new fire on Mosquito Road & Highland. So far only one website I've been able to find shows it... no other information... nothing on satellite. This freaks me out a-new, since I'm pretty close by in my buddy's evac house looking down a really big gorge full of nice dry trees. I really don't want to lug all of this crap to a new location.

                        6. I need a bigger truck, with a big trailer. I think this experience will convince Mrs. 2111 that such a purchase is a wise thing in the future.

                        7. There's a new waitress at Bricks... can't remember her name, but she's hot. Being able to relax enough to actually eat something was nice... I've dropped 10 pounds so far. New diet plan?

                        8. I've got a buddy up in the area as a hold-out. He's keeping an eye out for looters and such... should any enter my area, they won't have a good day.

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                        • user120312
                          Veteran Member
                          • Mar 2012
                          • 4029

                          If homeowners wish to pre-treat their own properties with decent residual effect, Phos-Chek is available in small quantities though I believe it's not pretty pink like the airdropped stuff, I would imagine the pink is a colorant so they can see what they've done.

                          Here's the SDS:

                          Home Depot sells it for about 30 bucks a gallon and that makes about five gallons of spray at an application rate of 100sq/ft per gallon.

                          I noted the other day Juan Browne did a little episode on this at a friend's home which survived the River Fire and outlined the measures the owner had performed, including spraying the product, to make the property fire-resistant.

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                          • Bainter1212
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Feb 2013
                            • 5936

                            Originally posted by Jason_2111
                            If we both end up unscathed... I'm having you over for a BBQ.

                            Some things I forgot to mention in my earlier update (I was on my phone, for some reason Safari isn't letting me run Calguns)

                            1. The smoke was bad... it was like twilight (and not the sparkly vampires) up on Sly Park. The amount of ash on my property was disturbing... thankfully I had a hold-out neighbor go cut my sun-shade down. I did find a burnt leaf on my front steps... I saved it. I'm going to frame it as a reminder. The mid-day twilight reminded me of the oil fires in Kuwait... but my buddy assured me that "Smoke good, fire bad... if it's heavy smoke, it's not burning really hot".

                            2. They set up a retardant filling station for the choppers at that old poultry farm on Pleasant Valley road... the one with the horses on the gate. I saw choppers come in, drop a hose, suck up more pink snot, then bolt out. While getting my ammo out, we heard choppers about every 3 to 4 minutes... those guys made a hell of a lot of round trips. Suck, fly, dump, fly, suck, repeat. A check of the flight radar showed them bombing my hot spot.... a great relief.

                            3. That pink snot was also manually sprayed all along Sly Park on the telephone poles, big trees, etc. Good thinking.

                            4. A little web research shows that this stuff is nasty... it causes cancer, nuerological issues, etc. If your property has been bombed... you might want to reconsider eating tomatoes out of the garden for a while. (still beats a burnt out husk where your house used to be).

                            5. Next-door is reporting a new fire on Mosquito Road & Highland. So far only one website I've been able to find shows it... no other information... nothing on satellite. This freaks me out a-new, since I'm pretty close by in my buddy's evac house looking down a really big gorge full of nice dry trees. I really don't want to lug all of this crap to a new location.

                            6. I need a bigger truck, with a big trailer. I think this experience will convince Mrs. 2111 that such a purchase is a wise thing in the future.

                            7. There's a new waitress at Bricks... can't remember her name, but she's hot. Being able to relax enough to actually eat something was nice... I've dropped 10 pounds so far. New diet plan?

                            8. I've got a buddy up in the area as a hold-out. He's keeping an eye out for looters and such... should any enter my area, they won't have a good day.
                            The trailer idea has been knocking around my head for awhile.
                            I think that a decent sized triple axle dump trailer would be best all-around (unless you have livestock). You can haul any type of debris or landscaping material, you can load up your quads, sxs, or even a skidsteer. You can build up the sides with 2x4s and move your household with it......
                            Really the jack-of-all-trades when it comes to moving stuff.

                            Anyway....good luck

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                            • JagerDog
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • May 2011
                              • 13117

                              FYI > 10K GVW for trailer requires a class A license.
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                              #Blackolivesmatter

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                              • Jason_2111
                                Veteran Member
                                • Jan 2010
                                • 3830

                                Originally posted by Bainter1212
                                The trailer idea has been knocking around my head for awhile.
                                I think that a decent sized triple axle dump trailer would be best all-around (unless you have livestock). You can haul any type of debris or landscaping material, you can load up your quads, sxs, or even a skidsteer. You can build up the sides with 2x4s and move your household with it......
                                Really the jack-of-all-trades when it comes to moving stuff.

                                Anyway....good luck

                                Originally posted by JagerDog
                                FYI > 10K GVW for trailer requires a class A license.
                                Good info to know, thanks guys!

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