Adding new sights ... so many options but none seem right

[Epaphroditus]

I have an trusty reliable proven game harvester Savage 30 series
E with several barrels. Been using short plain barrel (just a bed no vent rip, etc) to good effect but it shoots really low (sight picture is well below the barrel) - so low that I'm now wanting to put an after market rear sight to get some well needed elevation.

Something magnetic seems appropriate as my other barrels do not have a screwy sight picture.

Any suggestions are welcome! Suggestions about sights ... not a new gun.

[Thefeeder]

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Try something like this

http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/stock-parts/butt-plate-parts/cheek-pieces-amp-palm-swells/comb-raising-kits-prod42171.aspx

[Steve_In_29]

Try something like this

http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts...prod42171.aspx

How will that help the OP?

[Epaphroditus]

Try something like this

http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts...prod42171.aspx

Might need something like that after I get a rear sight with extra elevation.

I need the sight sorted first!

[Merc1138]

How will that help the OP?

OP complains about the shotgun shooting low. Thefeeder posts a link to a product that can be used to raise the comb so the shotgun will shoot higher.

Might need something like that after I get a rear sight with extra elevation.

I need the sight sorted first!

That kit does raise your elevation

[Steve_In_29]

What am I missing?

A shotgun is aimed by sighting along top of receiver to the front bead. That product simply raises the shooter's eye above the normal sight plain and removes the receiver out of the sight picture.

A rear sight of some kind (as the OP asked about) would raise the rear end of the sight plain thus bringing the front sight up to match it and raising point of impact.

[Merc1138]

What am I missing?

A shotgun is aimed by sighting along top of receiver to the front bead. That product simply raises the shooter's eye above the normal sight plain and removes the receiver out of the sight picture.

A rear sight of some kind (as the OP asked about) would raise the rear end of the sight plain thus bringing the front sight up to match it and raising point of impact.

Do you have a shotgun? If so, go grab it. Shoulder it, point the front of it at an object.

Now go get a washcloth, fold it a couple of times, and set it on the stock. Now shoulder it and point the front of it at an object.

Do you see the angle that the barrel is now pointing?

Lowering how the rear of the shotgun sits is the same as raising a rear sight. You end up changing the angle that the barrel is pointing, resulting in an increase in elevation. The added benefit is that you still get to maintain a cheek weld without having to hover above the stock to account for a rear sight being raised.

[Thefeeder]

What am I missing?

A shotgun is aimed by sighting along top of receiver to the front bead. That product simply raises the shooter's eye above the normal sight plain and removes the receiver out of the sight picture.

A rear sight of some kind (as the OP asked about) would raise the rear end of the sight plain thus bringing the front sight up to match it and raising point of impact.

What if I told ya I can teach you to shoot and hit targets up to 50yds with 00and slugs without any sights and without aiming.

Hit targets as easily as pointing your finger at it

[Thefeeder]

Might need something like that after I get a rear sight with extra elevation.

I need the sight sorted first!

That will solve your shooting low issue. I've done it dozons of times and it works

[ElvenSoul]

Google Cheif AJ

[Thefeeder]

Its basic shotgunning .....like throwing a ball. Once you get the mechanics down there is no aiming a ball..it goes where you want it to.

This is what shooting coaches teach

[Steve_In_29]

Do you have a shotgun? If so, go grab it. Shoulder it, point the front of it at an object.

Now go get a washcloth, fold it a couple of times, and set it on the stock. Now shoulder it and point the front of it at an object.

Do you see the angle that the barrel is now pointing?

Lowering how the rear of the shotgun sits is the same as raising a rear sight. You end up changing the angle that the barrel is pointing, resulting in an increase in elevation. The added benefit is that you still get to maintain a cheek weld without having to hover above the stock to account for a rear sight being raised.

Just checked it and all it does is change how my eye views the sight picture. I now am sighting OVER the receiver and barrel instead of along them.

Raising my eye above where it was previously is not the same thing as lowering the rear of the shotgun. It still sits in my shoulder exactly the same all that has changed is that my eye can no longer sight down the receiver and I am now forced to point shoot. Something that is harder to stay proficient with then utilizing sights (even if just the groove on the top of the receiver) for the casual shooter.

I have shotguns equipped with actual rear sights and there is no "hovering" involved. The cheek weld is at most shifted 1/4 inch higher, if at all. Now if you are referring to some type of red dot sight (which one of my shotguns is equipped with) then yes the cheek weld is quite a bit higher but still not exactly "hovering".

[Steve_In_29]

What if I told ya I can teach you to shoot and hit targets up to 50yds with 00and slugs without any sights and without aiming.

Hit targets as easily as pointing your finger at it

I am not disputing this. As long as a person is using a shotgun tailored to them so that it naturally points when shouldered.

[Merc1138]

Raising my eye above where it was previously is not the same thing as lowering the rear of the shotgun.

Your eye is not raised. Your eye and the front of the shotgun are in the same position they were before raising the comb. Raising the comb forces the rear of the shotgun to be lower, as you can't raise your cheekbone to compensate. The only way that can't happen, is if you aren't mounting the shotgun against your face the same way... which defeats the point.

I have shotguns equipped with actual rear sights and there is no "hovering" involved. The cheek weld is at most shifted 1/4 inch higher, if at all. Now if you are referring to some type of red dot sight (which one of my shotguns is equipped with) then yes the cheek weld is quite a bit higher but still not exactly "hovering".

Which means you aren't mounting the shotgun the same.

[Thefeeder]

Just checked it and all it does is change how my eye views the sight picture. I now am sighting OVER the receiver and barrel instead of along them.

Raising my eye above where it was previously is not the same thing as lowering the rear of the shotgun. It still sits in my shoulder exactly the same all that has changed is that my eye can no longer sight down the receiver and I am now forced to point shoot. Something that is harder to stay proficient with then utilizing sights (even if just the groove on the top of the receiver) for the casual shooter.

I have shotguns equipped with actual rear sights and there is no "hovering" involved. The cheek weld is at most shifted 1/4 inch higher, if at all. Now if you are referring to some type of red dot sight (which one of my shotguns is equipped with) then yes the cheek weld is quite a bit higher but still not exactly "hovering".

with shotguns your eye is the rear sight...move it to the left and the shot goes left, move it up and the shot goes up...

Pointing a shotgun is exactly what you want.