New 870 old shells ejecting problems

[b.thomas]

The old saying of "they don't make them like they use too" must be true?
I've got a forty year old Wingmaster that's been fed high base, low base, reloads, new and ammo over forty some years old...................not to mention the cheapest ammo I could find. All and I mean all go thru it without a hitch!

*Seems like more shotguns need to have the chamber honed out then you can shake a stick at.............................just plain, sloppy, workmanship!

[Rickrock1]

Good thread ,
I'm having the same ejection proem with my newer 870 express.

[kentactic]

Good thread ,
I'm having the same ejection proem with my newer 870 express.

Ejection ie the part where the shell leaves the gun (not be confused with extraction) is typically an extractor issue. Turn the gun on its side as in port facing the sky. Try to eject spent shells. If they end up staying in the port area sometimes a Non-MIM Extractor will be a likely fix.

[aippi]

If you want to spend $15 on a solid steel extractor to feel better about things then go for it. However, is has no performance benefits over the MIM, none.
I use the solid steel in my custom builds as it comes on the 870P and people expect the weapon to have all P upgrades. It is a feel good issue and nothing more.

[akjunkie]

Pretty sad when a customer buys a new 870. He has to spend more time, money and labor fixing the chamber to make the shotgun reliable.

[kentactic]

If you want to spend $15 on a solid steel extractor to feel better about things then go for it. However, is has no performance benefits over the MIM, none.
I use the solid steel in my custom builds as it comes on the 870P and people expect the weapon to have all P upgrades. It is a feel good issue and nothing more.

So the fact that it is known to correct ejecting issues caused by poor tolerances of the MIM extractor is not important to you?

It does feel good when the gun functions properly I agree.

[aippi]

Known by whom? If concerns the Remington shotgun and not know by me it is mostly likely false or not worth knowing. The MIM is formed Perfectly as it is injected molded. The solid steel extractor is the one with issues. Over the past many years they have been horrendous. They are often to thick, they are not chamfered and gouge the wall of the receiver. So the only issues with an extractor have been caused by the solid steel ones not the MIM. About anyone with a Wingmaster or Police model that was built in the past four years most likely has a steel extractor that is flat across the top a little thicker then it should be and they will find a definitive gouge in the wall of their receiver. Not all will find this condition as there were periods where Remington was able to get a vendor making these near specs. There are multiple post on this issue if one would want to be informed before they comment.

However, about six months ago Remington finally found a vendor who could make the solid steel extractors correctly. The last 100 I have purchased are find and look exactly like the MIM one except for the raised ridge that allows us to tell them apart. I hope this last.

There is absolutely no difference in the extraction of shells with a MIM as with a solid steel extractor. None.

[kentactic]

Known by whom? If concerns the Remington shotgun and not know by me it is mostly likely false or not worth knowing. The MIM is formed Perfectly as it is injected molded. The solid steel extractor is the one with issues. Over the past many years they have been horrendous. They are often to thick, they are not chamfered and gouge the wall of the receiver. So the only issues with an extractor have been caused by the solid steel ones not the MIM. About anyone with a Wingmaster or Police model that was built in the past four years most likely has a steel extractor that is flat across the top a little thicker then it should be and they will find a definitive gouge in the wall of their receiver. Not all will find this condition as there were periods where Remington was able to get a vendor making these near specs. There are multiple post on this issue if one would want to be informed before they comment.

However, about six months ago Remington finally found a vendor who could make the solid steel extractors correctly. The last 100 I have purchased are find and look exactly like the MIM one except for the raised ridge that allows us to tell them apart. I hope this last.

There is absolutely no difference in the extraction of shells with a MIM as with a solid steel extractor. None.

Ive learned that the guy who says he knows it all really dosent know squat.

You should research more and type less. It is better to have us think you're an idiot then to open your mouth and confirm it.

[aippi]

I am for certain I know as much about the Remington shotgun then anyone here and for sure more then you. Your post show your understanding of the weapon comes from what you read on forums. I on the other hand have been doing this since 1980 and I sit in class at the Remington factory in Ilion every three years to keep my certification current. I told you the fact about extractors and you choose not to accept it. So my complete factual information is wasted on you and your like but others benefit it from it so I will keep giving it to off set the in correct info people like you give.

[jeffrice6]

You should research more and type less. It is better to have us think you're an idiot then to open your mouth and confirm it.

So Aippi should do more research on the 870??? And he should keep his mouth shut so he doesn't look like an idiot......

[madland]

Really?! JD doesn't need any of us to come to his defense on this..but the fact remains that he does know more than any of us on this forum about the 870..but I didn't read anywhere where he said he knows it all. Also, he has helped countless people on this forum with their shotgun problems. Same as if you called him during business hours..you may not have ever even been a customer of his but he will take the time to answer your questions. Show some respect for all that he has contributed to this forum.You'd better get your flame-retardant suit on..just a suggestion.

[kentactic]

Actually... screw it... ive got nothing to gain by furthering this conversation. Im just glad somebody got some help in the thread. Far as im concerned its thread complete. Others can read it in the future and solve their issues as well.

[kentactic]

Really?! JD doesn't need any of us to come to his defense on this..but the fact remains that he does know more than any of us on this forum about the 870..but I didn't read anywhere where he said he knows it all. Also, he has helped countless people on this forum with their shotgun problems. Same as if you called him during business hours..you may not have ever even been a customer of his but he will take the time to answer your questions. Show some respect for all that he has contributed to this forum.You'd better get your flame-retardant suit on..just a suggestion.

Flame retardant suit is on. Thanks for the heads up.

[TRAP55]

Just wanted to add my $0.02 on the MIM extractor.
With very little stone work, it functioned flawlessly. The owner read all about them on the internet, and insisted I replace it. His gun, and I have no problem spending other peoples money, so I did.

[aippi]

I am not looking for a problem with anyone. I am just giving readers the facts. To further give people who want to know, here are three extractors. The one on the left is the MIM, Center is the new Solid steel one and the old style that most of you have is on the left.

You can see that the new solid steel one is identical to the MIM. The raised ridge on the MIM is about the only way to tell most of them apart, however, some of the Vendor MIMs have round molding marks on the side so I can tell with a quick glance.

Notice the Chamfering on the MIM and the New Solid steel extractor. This conforms the extractor better with the curvature of the breech bolt. The old solid steel is not chamfered and gouges the inside of the receiver more so then the other two.




There is absolutely no difference in the extraction of spend shell with any of these three extractors. This is why I stated it is a feel good issue as I have never seen a MIM extractor fail, break or in any way cause an issue. Of other note is that many of the guys who purchased solid steel extractors for their 870 from after market vendors were sent 11-87 Extractors. These are thicker and have a different design. The will still work but I don't recommend them. Also, do not use the MIM in model 1100 as there has been reported failures when people use the MIM 870 extractor in the semi-auto shotguns.

If an extractor fails it is most always due to the extractor plunger being rusty or being restricted by crud in the channel, or, the extractor plunger spring is at the end of its useful life.

I will also note that if the MIM is such a POS that forum guys claim it is, I find it strange that Remington designed the new solid steel extractor as an exact copy of their MIM extractor.