Home Built Knoxx Sidewinder Type Setup

[RedDawn]

Out of curiousity, has anyone tried building their own Knoxx Sidewinder type setup with detachable mag for their Mossberg or Remington?

[ironpete]

I'm in the process right now. I've got plenty of ideas and a disassembled Mossberg 500...We'll see how it ends up.

[RedDawn]

Finally,
I thought I was the only crazy one.
Seems straight forward, just alot of labor and tinkering.

What type of mag are you using?
Are you building your own mag?

[ironpete]

Until I prove otherwise the idea is to build my own since the action needs to "pull" (front to back) a shell off of the top of the magazine. As opposed to standard magazines that push a round off the top into the chamber.

I really haven't had a chance to do much research and am in all likelyhood re-inventing the wheel...whoohoo...loads of fun. I have a rough design for the mag and just need the shop time to do the first prototype.

[AJAX22]

I've got one thats chopped down for conversion to an AOW (set up to work with 10 inch barreled mossberg) has a folding grip

[gunn]

You learn about something new everyday. Until this morning, I'd never heard of a Knoxx Sidewinder.
According to the law, any shotgun with a revolving cylinder or any shotgun with a detachable mag is an assault weapon.

* I figure the box mag is legal as long as you have a bullet button, right?
* Does the external drum qualify as a revolving cylinder? I know the street sweeper had an actual revolver mechanism so I'm not sure if the external drum qualifies.

Q: What are you guys planning to build?
As a start, a modified Saiga 12 magazine would be appropriate box a box magazine design -- unless you were going to machine your own. Instead of having the bolt carrier push the shell forward, you'd have to trim a little (or adjust the follower) so the shell could be pushed rearwards, I'd think.

-g

[SunriseF150]

You learn about something new everyday. Until this morning, I'd never heard of a Knoxx Sidewinder.
According to the law, any shotgun with a revolving cylinder or any shotgun with a detachable mag is an assault weapon.

* I figure the box mag is legal as long as you have a bullet button, right?
* Does the external drum qualify as a revolving cylinder? I know the street sweeper had an actual revolver mechanism so I'm not sure if the external drum qualifies.....

-g

The detachable 6rd box mag and 10rd drum are both legal on a pump shotgun. Semi Auto shotguns are different.

[RedDawn]

Until I prove otherwise the idea is to build my own since the action needs to "pull" (front to back) a shell off of the top of the magazine. As opposed to standard magazines that push a round off the top into the chamber.

I really haven't had a chance to do much research and am in all likelyhood re-inventing the wheel...whoohoo...loads of fun. I have a rough design for the mag and just need the shop time to do the first prototype.

I agree, reinventing the wheel is fun! lol
Well it will be interesting to see what we each come up with. Kind of like Mythbusters...between Jamie and Adam.
I'm not saying who's who until they are both completed.

[MILLITIAof1]

I can volunteer my welding skills and tools.
I would LOVE a magazine fed 870!

[RedDawn]

Duly noted.

[mvpatriot]

+1

[viras]

According to the law, any shotgun with a revolving cylinder or any semiautomatic shotgun with a detachable mag is an assault weapon.

That's what I thought too, but I was incorrect. You are right about the revolving cylinder part, but not the detachable mag part - I fixed it for you.

Now, in regards to the revolving cylinder part - I believe this does not apply to the drum mags. I believe this was written for revolver-type shotguns, which have a rotating cylinder.

Here's the actual law:

12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:

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(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

[Baron]

And the beauty of the Knoxx 10 round drum is it's doesn't rotate. It uses a spring and follower... It pushes the shells just like a regular magazine.

A pump shotgun can have pretty much anything on it, just as long as the OAL is 26" and the barrel isn't shorter then 18"....

That's what I thought too, but I was incorrect. You are right about the revolving cylinder part, but not the detachable mag part - I fixed it for you.

Now, in regards to the revolving cylinder part - I believe this does not apply to the drum mags. I believe this was written for revolver-type shotguns, which have a rotating cylinder.

Here's the actual law:

12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:

...
...
...
(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

[50 Freak]

Originally Posted by gunn
According to the law, any shotgun with a revolving cylinder or any semiautomatic shotgun with a detachable mag is an assault weapon.

So I wonder if I ever put a mag on my Benelli M3 (which is pump and semi). If it's in pump mode, it's legal and if it's in semi mode it's illegal?????

Wonder how a DA would go after that one...."your honor, Mr 50Freak switched his Benelli M3 from pump over to semi then back to pump...In the course of that .5 seconds, he was holding an illegal AW...therefore we would like to send him to prison for 10 years hard labor" Wonder if a jury would buy that one.

[Baron]

So I wonder if I ever put a mag on my Benelli M3 (which is pump and semi). If it's in pump mode, it's legal and if it's in semi mode it's illegal?????.

I think it would only be "ok" if you permanently dissabled you Semi Auto Feature and made it into a pump only

Think about the pump AK's (Par-1)... You can have all the evilness you want, but the moment you convert it to semi auto, you beter not have any evilness.