Screwed over

[moneysolutions]

So WHAT ARE YOU/DID you OFFER to Robert/Johnnyringo to "MAKE IT RIGHT"???
Or is he In fact SCREWED BY YOUR "mistake"...(which we all see as a sort of "price gouging" for you by selling it to someone for more $$$)

[adonis]

One, your analogy is silly, a bid would have been placed prior to a contract being signed, so something of that magnitude couldn't occur. It's a laughable grasp at straws.

In this case, you wrote the contract and put it out for anyone to accept, so you should hold up your end of the deal. Judging that another dealer has the same item for a mere $40 more tells me this shouldn't be a bank breaking good faith follow through.

I can guarantee one thing, anyone who reads this thread won't send a single dollar in your direction. That, I'm sure will cost you much more than the $40.

Continuing to defend a losing position only makes you look like someone with no integrity and further reinforces that I wouldn't want to do business with your company. So, congratulations on turning one bad sale into a long list of non-sales, and that, is definitely not smart business.

[loophole]

I fail to see why you even posted in this thread if your mind is already made up. It's clear to all who have read this thread how you choose to run your business. It will be up to them and only them to decide if they want to become a customer of yours.

Your court cases as examples are sporadic at best. If I got your 16 year old daughter pregnant, would you accept an "I made a mistake" excuse, and let me off the hook? I doubt it. And I know the courts wouldn't.

That's the wonders of free enterprise, however. You aren't forced to sell to anyone, and no one is forced to buy from you. The whole thing hinges on service and strong business ethics.

Good luck.

[moneysolutions]

So your employee made a mistake, and you punish the consumer? The right thing to do is sell the gun at the price YOUR COMPANY listed. If that's 50% of your cost, its your problem. Doing the right thing with some integrity will pay off in the long run.

What happens in a retail store if you mismark an item? Guess what, you are obligated to sell it for that price.

Nobody forced you to be in the gun business, and this is part of being the owner, you get to eat mistakes your employees make. If you can't afford to swallow a few bucks for a mistake YOU made, then it sounds like your ship is already sunk.

[foxracer72]

I'm a business owner and if I or someone else in my company mark a wrong price we honer it. Bad business on you part 100%

[johnthomas]

My son posted his AR last week, a guy from Santa Cruz said he would take it for the asking price, 1300 dollars. My son got several PM's asking to accept their higher offers. Bottom line, and proud to say, he honored the deal he made and everything went off without a hitch. Some of you may say there is a one letter difference between champ and chump, but in reality, the difference is honorable or dishonorable. I noticed the past few month, more and more folks here aren't in this forum for anything more than making a buck.

[EssDee]

You must have never sold on gunbroker. We have about one every two or three weeks that backs out of a transaction just like ebay and no gunbroker doesnt make it right, if we jump throught their hoops we might get our sellers fees refunded in about 45 days. Not sure what imaginery power they have to force a transaction to completion, maybe the same one ebay has.

And no we dont have the power to force someone to complete a transaction and have actually let those that ask to back out as long as they are honest and have a reasonable excuse. Just for the record gunbroker doesnt have a mechanism to recover the fees without reporting them as a non-paying bidder so then we take a loss. We focus on honest and reasonable....as a society have we moved past that?

So WHAT ARE YOU/DID you OFFER to Robert/Johnnyringo to "MAKE IT RIGHT"???
Or is he In fact SCREWED BY YOUR "mistake"...(which we all see as a sort of "price gouging" for you by selling it to someone for more $$$)

[myk]

Yup, it's on the seller if there was a mistake made on their auction. I remember selling a pretty big Star Wars vehicle on ebay. Well, I neglected to state that shipping outside of the continental '48 would cost more and would have to be negotiated at auction's closing. Sure enough, someone from Europe bought my item, and even though I ended up losing my shirt over the shipping cost I had to honor my end of the deal because it was MY AUCTION, MY MISTAKE...

[moneysolutions]

BLAH BLAH BLAH.....
JUST MAKE IT RIGHT TO ROBERT/JOHNNYRINGO SOMEHOW....
IF.. He called you and said he COULDNT pay for whatever he bid or bought on your GB listing YOU would OBLIGATE him to PAY and make it right to YOU...

You must have never sold on gunbroker. We have about one every two or three weeks that backs out of a transaction just like ebay and no gunbroker doesnt make it right, if we jump throught their hoops we might get our sellers fees refunded in about 45 days. Not sure what imaginery power they have to force a transaction to completion, maybe the same one ebay has.

And no we dont have the power to force someone to complete a transaction and have actually let those that ask to back out as long as they are honest and have a reasonable excuse. Just for the record gunbroker doesnt have a mechanism to recover the fees without reporting them as a non-paying bidder so then we take a loss. We focus on honest and reasonable....as a society have we moved past that?

[EssDee]

BLAH BLAH BLAH.....
JUST MAKE IT RIGHT TO ROBERT/JOHNNYRINGO SOMEHOW....
IF.. He called you and said he COULDNT pay for whatever he bid or bought on your GB listing YOU would OBLIGATE him to PAY and make it right to YOU...

[TahoeTim]

Some of us "new" people have bought guns the normal way for the past 50 years and are now forced into this cess pool market by the circumstances. I am so tired of being called a fool by the "senior" members here.

I guess if the moderators of this forum care, they will stop the few a@@holes on this site.

As far as the listing goes, I won't be bidding on anything from this seller and thanks for the warning. I own a business and I eat mistakes my employees make. It's buyer beware on gunbrokers. I usually look up all the items that a seller has listed and if I find a pattern of strawman bidders, I stay away. It's pretty easy to see that a bidder is bidding on all the items from one seller but on none of the same item from others sellers!

[hakenlag]

Johnnyringos claims of getting screwed are a little exaggerated to say the least. We are the dealer that had that firearm and one of our guys made an honest mistake listing the item on gunbroker. He used an old listing and relisted it as a fixed price but it should have been an auction with the price as the starting price. If you’ve sold on gunbroker you know that you can’t change the method from fixed price to auction when relisting an item which he didn’t realize. So with the mistake it sold before someone could see the mistake and correct it. So Robert/Johnnyringo called us and at that time I personally tried to explain it was a mistake but he wasn’t having any of that. He started getting abusive and demanded to speak to the owner/manager well to his surprise he had been speaking with me all along.
We’ve all seen the crazies at the Walmart customer counter and other places like that where the customers are acting a fool. For some reason we’ve grown to tolerate that in our society.
On the charge of price gouging I'm not sure how that applies, when you sell something at auction you allow the buyer to determine the price and its not like we put a gun to anyone’s head, we dont even know the internet buyers. With the corrupt politicians trying to ban all these guns along with the manufacturers not being able to meet the demand prices will go up. If as consumers we don’t understand that it’s the simple supply and demand curve we need to read an economic book maybe one from Milton Freidman would be a good start.
As a buyer does anyone realize the fact that when our stores are bare and inventory is nonexistent like right now that our overhead continues, employee wages are still there. Landlords aren’t coming in and saying oh don’t worry about it because rents free until you can get product in to sell whenever that is. The electric, phone & water company still sends you bills and they don’t care. As a result of this frenzy it will undoubtedly cause many local gun shops to close.
We would love to be able to sell guns under cost because of a mistake but I don’t know how you do that Johnnyringo…..A gun that we can’t even get at a price close to that. Honest mistakes will happen from time to time….
And Johnnyringo we are not a pawnbroker, dont try to make us out to be something that what we are not, making these false characterizations trying to demonize us. We are just a small business struggling in this Obama economy.

So? You screwed up. Man up and take the hit for your mistake. You made a contract with the man and you are in breach.

[subrvin]

I got screwed over on Gunroker.com by a dealer FFL out of Louisville, KY. I bought a saiga 12 shotgun a few weeks ago. He accepted my buy now bid for $759.00. Then he sent me a acceptance email the next day. He then called me and said, "No, I can't sell you this gun. The price was a mistake". I called him on it and he became arguementative, swearing at me. He told me to go to walmart. NICE guy! Buyer beware of "Money solutions". His company is Auctions ASAP. He's a glorified pawnbroker. Scammer! ANYWAY, I am looking for a saiga 12 at a resaonable price. Good luck I guess. let me know. I emailed Gunbroker about the complaint. Good luck with that too. Im sooooo pissed! Price gouging.

One just got put on the shelf at Turners in Pasadena, 800.00, this was just yesterday, call to see if it is still there.

[adonis]

So your employee made a mistake, and you punish the consumer? The right thing to do is sell the gun at the price YOUR COMPANY listed. If that's 50% of your cost, its your problem. Doing the right thing with some integrity will pay off in the long run.

What happens in a retail store if you mismark an item? Guess what, you are obligated to sell it for that price.

Nobody forced you to be in the gun business, and this is part of being the owner, you get to eat mistakes your employees make. If you can't afford to swallow a few bucks for a mistake YOU made, then it sounds like your ship is already sunk.

[christ on a crutch]

we should post sellers names on here from gunbroker.com that scam people one thread with all their names so people know what to look out for

bad idea, as appealing as it sounds. blacklists are always open to abuse. there will be vindictive buyers who will list honest sellers there simply because they didn't get their price, or use the threat of the list to try to bully a better price.