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  • #1
    hunts4food
    Junior Member
    • Nov 2012
    • 4

    Saiga 12 legal? How?

    I'd like to get my hands on one, but my local FFL told me its straight up illegal, and that all semi-auto shot guns with detachable magazines are illegal. Is it just a matter of putting on a bullet button? Even if you keep everything 'featureless'? Is the local FFL an idiot?
    thanks
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    • #2
      DaveInOroValley
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • Jan 2010
      • 8964
      As long as it has a BB it's perfectly legal and you answered your own question on the local FFL
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      "Don't bother me with facts, Son. I've already made up my mind." -Foghorn Leghorn

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        • #3
          jrock
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2008
          • 1147
          send said ffl copy of flow chart.
          now if he still makes the same claim after being informed, then he may in fact be an idiot.
          The opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference.

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            • #4
              rromeo
              Calguns Addict
              • Sep 2009
              • 6981
              Your FFL is almost right. Semi-auto shotguns with detachable magazines are illegal in California. Maybe he doesn't know about magazine locks.
              Never initiate force against another. That should be the underlying principle of your life. But should someone do violence to you, retaliate without hesitation, without reservation, without quarter, until you are sure that he will never wish to harm - or never be capable of harming - you or yours again.

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                • #5
                  NorCalXJ
                  Veteran Member
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 3992
                  Do what jrock said. Or find another FFL dealer.
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                    • #6
                      Capybara
                      CGSSA Coordinator
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Feb 2012
                      • 14547
                      Local dealer or FUD jockey? ;-)
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                        • #7
                          chillincody
                          Veteran Member
                          • Aug 2011
                          • 2675
                          Doesnt it also have to have 922r compliance parts installed along with a maglock ?
                          Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774_1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

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                            • #8
                              Mesa Tactical
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2004
                              • 1746
                              Originally posted by chillincody
                              Doesnt it also have to have 922r compliance parts installed along with a maglock ?
                              Only if you are changing the imported configuration to something "non-sporting."
                              Lucy at www.mesatactical.com

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                                • #9
                                  chillincody
                                  Veteran Member
                                  • Aug 2011
                                  • 2675
                                  Originally posted by Mesa Tactical
                                  Only if you are changing the imported configuration to something "non-sporting."
                                  Umm what exactly is sporting config. and non sporting config ??
                                  Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774_1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

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                                    • #10
                                      CSACANNONEER
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                                      • Dec 2006
                                      • 44092
                                      Originally posted by chillincody
                                      Umm what exactly is sporting config. and non sporting config ??
                                      Look at Federal regulations for importation. If it can be legally imported in a certain configuration, it is a sporting config.
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                                        • #11
                                          hermosabeach
                                          I need a LIFE!!
                                          • Feb 2009
                                          • 18988
                                          The Calguns flowchart is a great reference

                                          Semi auto shotguns can have a fixed mag- no detachable mags

                                          Semis cannot have any other banned features-
                                          So no folding stocks- no telescopic stocks if you have a pistol grip

                                          922R is triggered by a non sporting configuration.
                                          So AK style conversion
                                          Magazine over 5 rounds
                                          Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

                                          Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)

                                          Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

                                          Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
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                                            • #12
                                              hermosabeach
                                              I need a LIFE!!
                                              • Feb 2009
                                              • 18988
                                              Oh - no mags over 10 in CA in a shotgun

                                              Over 10 rounds in a saiga- I think- makes it an AW under CA laws
                                              Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

                                              Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)

                                              Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

                                              Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
                                              (thanks to Jeff Cooper)

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                                                • #13
                                                  rromeo
                                                  Calguns Addict
                                                  • Sep 2009
                                                  • 6981
                                                  Over 10 rounds is okay in a shotgun, but the magazines are still subject to normal restrictions. Somebody able to purchase large capacity magazines can legally use them in a BB equipped Saiga 12.
                                                  Never initiate force against another. That should be the underlying principle of your life. But should someone do violence to you, retaliate without hesitation, without reservation, without quarter, until you are sure that he will never wish to harm - or never be capable of harming - you or yours again.

                                                  - from THE SECOND BOOK OF KYFHO
                                                  (Revised Eastern Sect Edition)

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                                                    • #14
                                                      psssniper
                                                      CGN Contributor
                                                      • Oct 2005
                                                      • 3060
                                                      Go here, read this, print out a copy, and take to the dealer
                                                      "I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness; I love only that which they defend.
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                                                        • #15
                                                          Eldraque
                                                          Senior Member
                                                          • Aug 2012
                                                          • 1984
                                                          CA laws are so stupid

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