Winchester ammo sucks!...?

[mike100]

870 expresses have really poor polish and finish on the chambers. get a small dremel buffing pad and some polishing compound and got to town on the first 3/4's inch of that barrel...or get another barrel.

you can either polish it, or shoot about 2000+ shells through it...either way, it will eventually let cheap low brass ammo fall out without complaint. usually the best way to extract a stuck hull is to grab the SG by the fore stock and slam the rubber recoil pad on the stock down against the ground fairly hard.

[mike100]

I see this at the range all the time...more so with brand new expresses, less so (or never) with high mileage expresses or with 30 year old wingmasters etc.

I bought a couple of 30 year old wingmasters (one of them unfired) and none of them had much issue with the cheap winchester or federal. it is the chamber finish for sure. At least you can fix it up for cheap...mostly elbow grease.

[Oneaudiopro]

Hmmm

You people are something else. The OP clearly stated he has no issues with other ammo and it is a well known fact that Winchester Universal is crap. So you either you can't read, can't comprehend are you are simply obtuse.

OP - you clearly stated your weapon has performed flawless unitil you bought this cheap ammo and have to be able to relate the issue to ammo. You answered your own question and simply gave these other guys a chance to bash the 870 which they do from no knowledge base what so ever.

I've been shooting all my life and if I had 2 rounds break at the rim and have to pry them out of the barrel, the last thing I would look at is the ammo. The problem is in the gun. I shot 3 boxes of that ammo this week with ZERO problems. It seems like pure coincidence that the OP had no issues with the previous 200 rounds. I'de have a competent gunsmith look at the 870.

[fusionstar]

Someone always suggest a dremel..

[CK_32]

My question is how are you guys getting remingtons the issue out of this problem....

Every Remington has a problem with Winchester bulk CHEAP stuff. You get what you pay for and 870s spit everything else with out a hitch. If its a QC thing then please explain why people polish their chambers and do all this back hard smithing and it so with that ammo..?


Because my BCM middy doesn't shoot wolf and jams every 50 rounds but shoots everything else that's not dirt cheap a** ammo my BCM has QC issues...? How does that even add up?


Yes I have a 870 on the way but am far from fam boy with the 870. Sometimes I wonder if some of you guys think about what your saying and if it even makes sense before you say it. Seems like too many people are looking to gossip about a company falling appart and the QC issues than simplistic facts on why a problem arose.

A gun can shoot 80,000 rounds with out a problem but the day one jams they aren't reliable. I just don't get some of the logic in the gun world. I hope you guys don't go far shopping anytime soon or you'll never buy a car again if your car standards are as horrid as your gun standards.

[elfstone]

It seems like pure coincidence that the OP had no issues with the previous 200 rounds.

+1 this sentence. If you and/or gun are baised to shoot one brand of ammo vs. the other, then you already concluded an answer to your question. Factual or not is irrelovent in your perception. Stick to what has worked until another problem presents itself.
I have shot over 300 rnds the last 20 days of this Win. universal 'cheap' stuff with not one issue with it.
So to all who don't like it, if you are still buying it= then on you.

You people are something else. The OP clearly stated he has no issues with other ammo and it is a well known fact that Winchester Universal is crap. So you either you can't read, can't comprehend are you are simply obtuse.

OP - you clearly stated your weapon has performed flawless unitil you bought this cheap ammo and have to be able to relate the issue to ammo. You answered your own question and simply gave these other guys a chance to bash the 870 which they do from no knowledge base what so ever.

-5. Wow does this guy have an agenda or what?! Thankfully we have read and comprehended your reply.

[TacticalPlinker]

I will restate the following;

So I have a simple solution. Try using some different ammo. Different types and brands. See what you find. If you have extraction problems with that ammo as well, you have an extractor problem. If not, try again with the Winchester.

A second solution is to clean your gun better. Extractors on all firearms can cause problems if not properly cleaned. Check your extractor and see if it moves, or if its clogged up with crap. Also see if there is spring tension on the extractor, as the spring on your extractor could be the problem.

Again, simple solutions without the bias and non-sense. You need to "reverse engineer" the problem. You need to define the problem and narrow down the possible cause(s). It's simple troubleshooting.

Saying Remington sucks or Winchester sucks or they both suck does nothing at solving your problem.

[stevec223]

hulls

the hulls on winchester universal are about half as thick as feds or rems..paper thin hulls seem to grab more after fired in all my guns...autos..o/u,s... pumps....stick with the rems or feds in bulk packs....cheers...

[jamesweed]

the hulls on winchester universal are about half as thick as feds or rems..paper thin hulls seem to grab more after fired in all my guns...autos..o/u,s... pumps....stick with the rems or feds in bulk packs....cheers...

^^^^ Seems to be more logical, never shot the Winchester but the cheapest Federal and Remington i shoot are dirt cheap and they have always chambered fine shot fine and extracted-ejected fine so it might just be that ammo.

[cindynles]

This has been hashed out here before. Its a known fact that Winchester Universal is, to quote Appi, "Craptactular" and won't run is some shotguns. The cheap hull and case has next to zero elasticity. I have had this ammo lock up both of my Ithaca 37's (1950's era) that have actions as smooth as glass.

I was at a match on Sat and the guy in front of me had his 870 lock up several times. I asked him what he was shooting, Winchester Universal.... I handed him some of my Remington sport loads and the problem went away..........

If your 1911 ran fine with 230gr FMJ, but jammed with 200gr SWC would you blame the gun or the ammo?

[jyo]

I vote for polishing the chamber---QC at Remington has been dismal for several years now---that's why there is such a demand for older used 870s---the older guns simply chew thru all different brands of ammo, cheap or expensive. My older (20+) 870s have ALWAYS worked even with the cheapest bulk ammo. Can't hurt to polish the chamber!

[zfields]

Some guns don't like some ammo.


Glad mine likes winchester, seems to be all there is at my local walmart lately.

[cindynles]

I vote for polishing the chamber---QC at Remington has been dismal for several years now---that's why there is such a demand for older used 870s---the older guns simply chew thru all different brands of ammo, cheap or expensive. My older (20+) 870s have ALWAYS worked even with the cheapest bulk ammo. Can't hurt to polish the chamber!

Polishing (using 0000 steel wool) will clean out any gunk that is in the chamber. It will most likely help, but if the chamber is rough or tight you would need to hone it. If the issue really is with the chamber, then the gun should go back to the factory for repair.

I have honed barrels and chambers before, but it is alot of work, and if you are not careful or don't know what you are doing you can wind up doing more harm than good. It's also expensive, a Flex-Hone set is going to run you at least $150.

I'm lazy, so if just switching ammo takes care of the issue, thats what I do. When I see hoof prints I think "horse" not "zebra".

[compulsivegunbuyer]

Winchester Universal is absolute crap. I will never understand why people use the cheapest crap they can find, and then it's the guns fault. I have even had problems with that crap in my Benelli. I've had shells stick and separate from their bases, and primers blow out. It's what, $20 for 100 rounds of that crap? I use the AA's and Remington STS now. Yes their $32 per hundred, but they pattern better, smell better because the powder they use in those cheap shells is crap, and are reloadable. When you factor in that I can reload them 5 or 6 times, they are actually cheaper. There is of course the steel wool on a dowel thing that seems to fix these problems. But realy, if one ammo does not work, and every other one you have tried does, then there is only one conclusion.

[compulsivegunbuyer]

Someone always suggest a dremel..

Break it out! Although I would suggest polishing the ammo, not the gun.