Thought Experiment - Mossberg 990 Aftershock

[Capybara]

In case you haven't seen it, the Mossberg 990 Aftershock finally hit the stores. Kind of a cool gun, a semi automatic "other", but lame California will only let us purchase the sort of pointless 18.5" barrel version, not the cool 14.75" barrel version that Americans can buy in America.

BUT, I've been digging around the Assault Weapon PC, if one was to purchase the 18.5" version, then eform 1 it and turn it into an AOW, one could then legally either saw off or replace the barrel to end up with the 14.75" version legally in Commifornia. AOWs are not subject to Commifornia's SBS/SBR laws. Unfortunately, unlike a pump action Shockwave, because the Aftershock is a semi-auto, one could not affix a pistol grip, VFG, folding stock or brace without running afoul of California's Assault Weapons law. But you'd at least have the same thing that Americans can have in America!

[jarhead714]

Doesn’t it have to be a virgin receiver or something like that in California to be able to form 1 it? California AOW laws are so confusing to me.

[oddball]

On a waiting list right now at my LGS in DFW. $919. I have a 20 gauge Shockwave, but I'll give it to my son after I get the Aftershock.
I love Mossberg, but it would have been cool if Beretta came out with one (which I doubt would ever happen).

[Capybara]

Doesn’t it have to be a virgin receiver or something like that in California to be able to form 1 it? California AOW laws are so confusing to me.

Not sure what a Virgin receiver is but an AOW must be built from a firearm that has never had a shotgun stock on it and wasn't conceived or ever registered as a shotgun, because a shotgun would have a butt stock on it. And all California gun laws
are purpose built by Commie scumbag lawyers to confuse and obfuscate as much as possible.

[axhoaxho]

Yes, it sucks that CA just wouldn't let us have fun toys.......

If like short(er) semi-auto shotguns, the IWI TS12 is pretty close to the length of the Aftershock and is CA friendly. Just want to mention.


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[Capybara]

Yes, it sucks that CA just wouldn't let us have fun toys.......

If like short(er) semi-auto shotguns, the IWI TS12 is pretty close to the length of the Aftershock and is CA friendly. Just want to mention.


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I now have a 12" Remington 870 AOW, the Smith & Wesson M&P12 Bullpump shotgun and I just bought the Springfield Hellion as well so I guess you could say I have a thing for bullpups. I almost bought the TS12
instead of the Smith but I wanted it for HD and I couldn't trust my life to a semi auto that wasn't 100% reliable so I bought the Smith instead and it has been 100% reliable so far. But I am still hot to get a TS12 and I will eventually, I think the design is really innovative.
Also have a Beretta 1301 Tactical that I tricked out with input from CGer OceanBob and I love that gun but for HD in my narrow hallway and staircase three story Townhouse, the Beretta is just too long, the Smith is only 27" long and holds 15 rounds. Nobody else seems
to like it, claiming it's just a ripoff of the KelTec, but I don't think it is.

How reliable has your TS12 been? Does it feed everything or FTE on certain shells/brands/loads? Or was this just a picture and you don't have the TS12?

[axhoaxho]

I now have a 12" Remington 870 AOW, the Smith & Wesson M&P12 Bullpump shotgun and I just bought the Springfield Hellion as well so I guess you could say I have thing for bullpups. I almost bought the TS12
instead of the Smith but I wanted it for HD and I couldn't trust my life to a semi auto that wasn't 100% reliable so I bought the Smith instead and it has been 100% reliable so far. But I am still hot to get a TS12 and I will eventually, I think the design is really innovative.
Also have a Beretta 1301 Tactical that I tricked out with input from CGer OceanBob and I love that gun but for HD in my narrow hallway and staircase three story Townhouse, the Beretta is just too long, the Smith is only 17" long and holds 15 rounds. Nobody else seems
to like it, claiming it's just a ripoff of the KelTec, but I don't think it is.

How reliable has your TS12 been? Does it feed everything or FTE on certain shells/brands/loads? Or was this just a picture and you don't have the TS12?

Cheers, I am a fan of shotguns too!

My TS12 so far worked 100% -- When it was new out of the box; I field-stripped it, cleaned-off any factory oil/grease/etc., and re-oiled it. IWI also recommended using shells with a minimum velocity of 1,200 fps and minimum weight of 1-1/8 oz.

I am still a pump-action shotgun kinda guy, so the TS12 is my range toy but it is hella fun to shoot.

[Capybara]

Cheers, I am a fan of shotguns too!

My TS12 so far worked 100% -- When it was new out of the box; I field-stripped it, cleaned-off any factory oil/grease/etc., and re-oiled it. IWI also recommended using shells with a minimum velocity of 1,200 fps and minimum weight of 1-1/8 oz.

I am still a pump-action shotgun kinda guy, so the TS12 is my range toy but it is hella fun to shoot.

Thanks for the feedback. I'll eventually pick one up.

[walmart_ar15]

I put a bird head grip on a 18.5" gas semi. Well, the result is less than desired. Maybe I am a wimp, cannot consistently provide enough backstop for smooth cycle other than holding it tug-in by the hip. Pretty useless using it to maneuver around corners. Stock is now back on.

[Capybara]

I put a bird head grip on a 18.5" gas semi. Well, the result is less than desired. Maybe I am a wimp, cannot consistently provide enough backstop for smooth cycle other than holding it tug-in by the hip. Pretty useless using it to maneuver around corners. Stock is now back on.

Interesting, I have never shot a semi auto PGO shotgun. Sounds like the equivalent of limp wristing a semi auto pistol. I never enjoyed putting my 12ga AOW up near my face to aim but that's more of a recoil control issue than a cycling issue because it's a pump.

[walmart_ar15]

Interesting, I have never shot a semi auto PGO shotgun. Sounds like the equivalent of limp wristing a semi auto pistol. I never enjoyed putting my 12ga AOW up near my face to aim but that's more of a recoil control issue than a cycling issue because it's a pump.

I also has a same setup with a 18" 870 pump. I do trap with it while holding it next to my cheek. I knock out clays as good as with a full stock shotgun even with doubles while racking. So for me its more for aim then recoil. Not much different if it was a full stock gun. The 870 will function in any position being a pump.

Bird head grip is the only grip that works for me. The typical PG is pretty worthless unless it has a full stock with it.

[PogoJack]

TS12s need a breakin period and I believe they work best with high brass shells at >1250fps. I am still breaking mine in after 4 years or so.

[Capybara]

I also has a same setup with a 18" 870 pump. I do trap with it while holding it next to my cheek. I knock out clays as good as with a full stock shotgun even with doubles while racking. So for me its more for aim then recoil. Not much different if it was a full stock gun. The 870 will function in any position being a pump.

Bird head grip is the only grip that works for me. The typical PG is pretty worthless unless it has a full stock with it.

That's impressive! I've never shot clays with my AOW that way.

[Capybara]

TS12s need a breakin period and I believe they work best with high brass shells at >1250fps. I am still breaking mine in after 4 years or so.

So I take it you don't shoot it too often?

[PogoJack]

So I take it you don't shoot it too often?

Nope. Won it in a contest. Hate looking at it, hate shooting it, hate holding it.