My new HD scatter gun.

[bombadillo]

The top folding stocks aren't often as useful as you might think. The fixed stock is always ready, stable and can make for a bludgeon if the need arises, they are also consistently cheaper.

Smoothing out the action will happen progressively at somewhere between 200-400 shells worth of shooting. You can smooth the rough spots in the chamber with medium to fine cut polishing compounds bought at an automotive store with a bore mop and a electric drill (obviously, after stripping the weapon and removing the barrel). Cycling snap caps will help with smoothing things out and can be done at home safely, along with practicing load/unload and rapid reload drills.

The sling loops are an easy fix. Peruse your favorite online gunstore looking for sling loop options, you'll be surprised how many options there are in that space. Wood screws can be used on plastic stocks, but I prefer to push some epoxy into the hole before I screw it in, particularly with thinner walled polymer stocks.

Good luck,

R

Appreciate the advice. The one thing I think I'm going to do is change it out to wingmaster furniture. That way, I have a real sling stud on the front of the tube, and I can screw in a good sling stud in the rear. That combined with the mercury recoil reducing tubes, and it should be a nice soft shooter after the recoil pad comes.

[Richard Erichsen]

I thought about that, but I put in full 2 3/4" 9 pellet 00 buckshot and talked to the wife about it. She said "If my life comes down to it, I don't care if my shoulder hurts a little bit afterward."

I love my wife. Only reason I'd get the low recoil is for follow up shots and potentially not going through as many walls and hitting a neighbor. I'm looking around for some and next time I buy ammo, I'll probably get some low recoil 00 buck, or 000 buck.

#1 and #4 buck may be better choices if you are concerned about how many walls might be pierced. #1 buckshot in particular is a common choice among LEOs for good reason.

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=135074

To get a better understanding of wall penetration, a gentleman from Texas has built and tested shotshells against his "box of truth" - http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm

Before choosing a load - test it. If you really want to replicate the box of truth results, it's a wood 2x4 frame with scrap holding the sheet rock a few inches apart. 1 wall = 2 layers of sheet rock and usually just an airgap. What isn't tested is filler materials used to insulate walls, but they are mostly just spray in urethane foams, even just recycled newsprint mulch. Exterior might have sheet metal, concrete, brick and other hard materials faced with sheetrock, decomposed natural or synthetic stone fillers and/or fiberglass.

Good luck,

R

[Richard Erichsen]

Appreciate the advice. The one thing I think I'm going to do is change it out to wingmaster furniture. That way, I have a real sling stud on the front of the tube, and I can screw in a good sling stud in the rear. That combined with the mercury recoil reducing tubes, and it should be a nice soft shooter after the recoil pad comes.

The mercury "slush tubes" don't spread the recoil over a longer pulse as much as they claim. On the other hand, the 12-16 oz they add to the weapon dampen recoil using good ol' gravity. You can do the same thing with lead weights drilled and glued into the polymer stock.

R

[bombadillo]

#1 and #4 buck may be better choices if you are concerned about how many walls might be pierced. #1 buckshot in particular is a common choice among LEOs for good reason.

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=135074

To get a better understanding of wall penetration, a gentleman from Texas has built and tested shotshells against his "box of truth" - http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm

Before choosing a load - test it. If you really want to replicate the box of truth results, it's a wood 2x4 frame with scrap holding the sheet rock a few inches apart. 1 wall = 2 layers of sheet rock and usually just an airgap. What isn't tested is filler materials used to insulate walls, but they are mostly just spray in urethane foams, even just recycled newsprint mulch. Exterior might have sheet metal, concrete, brick and other hard materials faced with sheetrock, decomposed natural or synthetic stone fillers and/or fiberglass.

Good luck,

R

I've always liked the boxotruth, but he basically said 00 buck only penetrated 1 more board of drywall than #4 buck. I'd rather have the extra little bit of oomph that the 00 buck has. I may load it 2 shots #4 buck, 3 shots of 00 buck, and 2 slugs as a last resort for the HD shotgun. Birdshot isn't going to do anything so I'm not about to use that unless I'm cutting them and turning the shell into a slug more or less. He was saying 9mm, .45acp, and other handgun rounds went through all 12 boards. The 00 buck stopped at board 8 and bounced off. This doesn't account for wooden things like closets, counters, studs, and boards holding up walls. If you sheerwall things, you've got plywood to go through too. I think low recoil 00 buck is probably the way to go.

[mreed]

thanks for the advise man !

[BigDogatPlay]

FWIW, I think it's not possible to get mercury filled recoil reducers in California anymore. And in stock reducers really don't do that much, IMO. I've tried them on trap guns and I didn't notice that much of a difference. It really is all about weight and adding weight in either the stock or on the front end of the mag tube will do something to lessen the impulse, but at the cost of portability and ease of use.

My 870P, with it's Surefire fore end, +2 extension, six round side saddle and Speedfeed IV stock tips the scale at well over 10 pounds loaded. Just me personally but I don't want to think about adding any more weight.

The best recoil reducer, IMO, is always properly shouldering the gun. You have a solid fighting shotgun there that will acquit itself well as is. Keeping it simple is always a good option.

And, again FWIW and strictly IMO, candystriping rounds in the mag tube is not a good idea. Letting loose with slugs inside a house in an HD situation, to me, isn't a good path at all.

ETA: The managed recoil loadings in either 00 or #4 buck are, to me, somewhat optimum. They still have plenty of pop, and the Federal and Hornady loadings with wad columns that keep the patterns tight are a godsend for LEA and extend the effective range of the shotgun while helping to control unwanted collateral damage by keeping the patterns tight. Those two loads also would seem to be very effective for citizens in home defense situations, but at HD distances I believe that most any buckshot round will get 'er done.

[kuya51]

Nice HD shotgun

[whlgun]

I love simple HD shotguns