Dis-information on Top Shot

[RGERBER]

Wow,
This is a tough crowd, I feel the show is very entertaining, just think if you guys new as much about Science let’s say as you do firearms you might think a lot of shows are B.S. – like C.S.I. for instance there is a lot of B.S. on that show. But it’s entertaining and as several spin off shows, a large audience and has done a lot for C.S.I. enrollment and popularity.
So the point I am getting at is let’s let America be entertained by PRO GUN shows, it can only help the SPORT and our SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
This is all good news.

[Steve1968LS2]

If they had said "one of the..." that would have been better. The author of that episode was apparently a fanboy. No biggie!

The host DID say "one of" ... but I wouldn't expect the super cool tactical ninja warriors and television producers on this site to let that fact get in the way of a good PMS induced rant..



And it was the "instructor" that mentioned that it's one of the fastest.. which I'm sure he meant in relation to other semi-auto shottys.. which is argubaly true.

You can all go back to crowing how much better you would do and crying about minor points.

I for one am happy that there's a show that casts shooters in a good light and shows "joe public" that there is a sporting aspect to guns and that we're all not just a bunch of homicidal maniacs.

[Mstnpete]

The Benelli has the fastest cyclic rate of any shotgun on the market, at least when the testing was done a couple of years ago. It is faster then any over/under or side by side that I am aware of because the sear on those is reset by recoil, and obviously the Benelli is faster after the first two shots.

The most powerful, no ....

Plus 100 but loaded with slugs it is.......lol
Nice to see you here Bob!
It's me Peter D. Are you shooting Norco Saturday?

[Steve1968LS2]

The Benelli has the fastest cyclic rate of any shotgun on the market, at least when the testing was done a couple of years ago. It is faster then any over/under or side by side that I am aware of because the sear on those is reset by recoil, and obviously the Benelli is faster after the first two shots.

The most powerful, no ....

Again, he said one of..

And your logic is going to spoil the party for the haters on here.. lol

Powerful is a silly benchmark anyways.. a 12ga is a 12ga.. I guess if you think in terms of rounds on target in a short time the M4 is in the top tier until you get to some of more exotic stuff out there.

[JagerDog]

So given that so many other shows have been successful while not pandering to the lefties, I see no reason you need to avoid man shaped targets infavor of an arcade gallery in the western shoot out from season 2. A recreation of a historical gun battle or a cowboy action scenerio would have been much more appropriate for that episode. I am not saying they need to take it to the extreme deadliest warrior does. I am fine with the fanciful shooting when historically accurate. I just find the extremes they go to NOT to show the "combat" and "self-defense" aspects of shooting.

I feel the show should be a closer representive of actual shooting culture. Show the self-defense shooting from the holster with popup targets in a kill house, show the 3-gun challenges, show the cowboy action shooting with historical settings, and things that actually exist in our varied world. The cuture has enough challenges and scenerios that show does not really need to reinvent shooting like they do. Showing us as we really are would be doing us a service, not disservice.

I'm not sure how you do that with a wide cross section of specialists without heavily favoring specific doctrines. Then there's the safety issues of speed drawing, etc. Given the time allotted per challenge, I'm fine with keeping everything pointed down range.

I like the show. I don't need man shaped or animal shape targets. I think most folks like reactive targets. They don't want to have to call the target closer to know how a particular contestant did. It either disintegrates or it misses. Gallery is perfect for that. Would be pretty boring show if we were measuring groups to 0.001". But the benchrest guys would smoke the combat and trick shooters. ;-)

Personally, I have a lot of interest in guns, but not much interest combat shooting. A lot more folks were "raised" shooting bullseyes and rocks and cans than subbing a paper target for bad guy. You might be projecting a bit based on your personal interests and those of your tacticool clients.

[BigDogatPlay]

He was not criticizing Top Shot's ratings. He meant I should prove the popularity and success of Deadliest Warrior, FutureWeapons, Mail Call and others that don't sugar coat their subject matter (his explanation to why Top Shot does not depict the shooting culture more realistically in their challenges and events was that liberals would complain).

Didn't think he was criticizing the ratings... thought he was wanting them quantified vis other similar programming. And FWIW even though those other shows are far more realistic, being on more 'minor' networks Top Shot certainly far outdraws them.

Then he called me stupid because I didn't accept that a more realistic depiction of shooting culture would result in low ratings. Because if you don't agree with him, you have to be an idiot who doesn't read.

Yes he did... thought I'd cover your six for a minute on that.

[JagerDog]

The Benelli has the fastest cyclic rate of any shotgun on the market, at least when the testing was done a couple of years ago. It is faster then any over/under or side by side that I am aware of because the sear on those is reset by recoil, and obviously the Benelli is faster after the first two shots.

The most powerful, no ....

There are mechanical trigger O/U's and SxS's. There's also double triggers. But really, not many scenarios where absolute speed of cycling is the limiting factor.

And ya...12g is 12g.

[Rekrab]

"one of the most powerful shotguns in the world"

Fixed it for you.

[Saym14]

a 12 GA is a 12 GA how can one be more powerful ? now a 10 GA , that is more powerfull.

yeah - I forgot about "used by more Police than any other" more bad.

I have heard inertia guns cycle faster than gas operated guns. would make sence since gas guns are supposed to recoil less.

[In_this_city]

Bravo (a hippie channel if ever there was one) had a show for a while where SpecOps guys competed in realistic challenges and had guys from Seals, Rangers, ect. Wish I could remember the name of it because I would like to download it.

Sounds kinda like Combat Missions. They had the 4 teams do a challenge against one another and then they would have to complete a time based force on force mission. They used the MILES laser systems.

[Ron-Solo]

For those of you bagging on the Junior Olympics shotgun shooter, there is a big difference between shooting flying clay birds with shot, and shooting stationary targets with slugs.

I would think the rifle guys would have done better than a guy who shot clays as a kid.

Like most "reality" shows, this is ENTERTAINMENT and not reality. The producers edit it to keep things interesting and will sometimes stir the pot a little to help ratings.

[Steve1968LS2]

a 12 GA is a 12 GA how can one be more powerful ? now a 10 GA , that is more powerfull.

yeah - I forgot about "used by more Police than any other" more bad.

I have heard inertia guns cycle faster than gas operated guns. would make sence since gas guns are supposed to recoil less.

So a Street Sweep isn't more powerful than a single shot 12 gauge?

I swear, you guys just looks for crap to complain about..

Maybe they meant "used by more police" in terms of semi-auto..

In any event, it's like a bunch of hens in here how you guys nit-pick.. lol

[tacticalcity]

I'm not sure how you do that with a wide cross section of specialists without heavily favoring specific doctrines. Then there's the safety issues of speed drawing, etc. Given the time allotted per challenge, I'm fine with keeping everything pointed down range.

I like the show. I don't need man shaped or animal shape targets. I think most folks like reactive targets. They don't want to have to call the target closer to know how a particular contestant did. It either disintegrates or it misses. Gallery is perfect for that. Would be pretty boring show if we were measuring groups to 0.001". But the benchrest guys would smoke the combat and trick shooters. ;-)

Personally, I have a lot of interest in guns, but not much interest combat shooting. A lot more folks were "raised" shooting bullseyes and rocks and cans than subbing a paper target for bad guy. You might be projecting a bit based on your personal interests and those of your tacticool clients.

There are a wide range of types of competative shooting out there - not just tactical. So don't let my company name confuse you. I was not suggesting they show just the military stuff. Mearly that they show a more realistic depiction of gun culture. They have the bench rest shooters down great. The rest of us are not exactly being represented. While I would do well at the from the holster defensive stuff and be pretty good at the CQB, I would have trouble at cowboy action for example. It is a totally different animal. They could show case different weapons and the cuture and history surrounding them better. I am just guessing, but based on your post perhaps you haven't been exposed to all the various competitive styles of shooting before? Because they would not be any more dangerous than the stuff they do on the show. You can do them all in a nice safe down range setting. It would be more than possible to have shooting that is a closure match to the way people actually compete with each other in real life competitions and training without favoring one over the other styles. They are reinventing the wheel and sugar coating things too much for me. But like I said, I can deal with that. If they show brings more people to shooting then it is a good thing. I just feel it is worth mentioning. Just because something is a good thing doesn't mean you can't offer healthy criticism. Perhaps they will improve in the future? After all, last year I and many others complained about the weapons choices being too out of touch, and this year they seem to be better. Maybe in season 4 I will be more impressed.

[Rekrab]

a 12 GA is a 12 GA how can one be more powerful ? now a 10 GA , that is more powerfull.

yeah - I forgot about "used by more Police than any other" more bad.

I have heard inertia guns cycle faster than gas operated guns. would make sence since gas guns are supposed to recoil less.

I didn't actually hear Coby say "used by more Police than any other." He said "...which is exactly why law enforcement agencies around the world as well as US Navy Seals keep one of these in their arsenals." Michael also said "It's one of the most popular shotguns used by law enforcement today." Neither of them made definitive statements that would indicate it is actually the best, or the most power.

The only definitive statement I heard came from the expert who did say "It is the fastest shooting shotgun on the planet." However, coming from an expert that apparently competes with a Benelli even the dumbest brick would probably question the validity of his statement.

[zoglog]

Uh, you do realize that this is the show that called the crossbow the anti-tank gun of the medieval times....