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  • #16
    voiceofreason
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2010
    • 3785

    To anyone reading the two quotes above ^^^^^^^

    Birdshot and the "scary sound of a pump shotgun being racked" are NOT what most members of this board/forum advocate.

    Stick with larger pellets that penetrate deeply enough to disrupt the vital organs. Birdshot is for birds, and slugs, #1, 0, 00, 000 buck are for people. (some people feel #4 is acceptable/good as well while others feel it doesn't reliably penetrate deep enough - not MY first choice, but I wouldn't volunteer to stand in front of it either)

    The sound of a shotgun being racked will do little more than give your position away to the intruder/assailant. Doing so will give him/her time to think, a location/direction to shoot toward, and/or possibly a location/direction to rush. (though a single action firearm without the internal safety mechanisms most handguns have might be better stored condition 3/chamber empty - your preference)

    (I have NOTHING to back this up, just stuff I'm admittedly pulling out of the air):
    Most people don't rack their shotguns with their muzzle in the direction of the target, most people hold their shotguns in a diagonal position with the muzzle up and to one side slightly less than 90 degrees from the target.
    Based on Tueller #s combined with the retention issues of a fully stocked shotgun w/ 18" barrel and the limited dimensions of most people's homes, the guy rushing has a pretty decent chance if he's even somewhat athletic; especially with the momentum he'll have crashing into you like a runner "freight training" a catcher covering home plate.
    Last edited by voiceofreason; 08-22-2011, 10:04 AM.
    "You will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it."
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    "You will never know how little my generation has traded away our freedoms and rights for. I'm sorry and ashamed for what we've left to the following generations."
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    • #17
      Blitzburgh
      In Memoriam
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Jan 2011
      • 2635

      Here are some links to some good Shotgun/Ammo/Penetration articles.

      The Website is called the "Box 'O Truth". It's an interesting site - some very no nonsense advice.

      Shotgun Penetration Tests: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm

      This page has many many articles on Shotguns and various ammo, barriers, chokes, patterning, etc: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/theboxotruth.htm

      And a must read article about fighting with a shotgun: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu83.htm

      The guy that runs the site is a former LEO and a very no-nonsense Texan. Don't upset him
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      • #18
        -hanko
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
        CGN Contributor
        • Jul 2002
        • 14174

        Originally posted by coyotebait
        You're killing me... Someone will pop up shortly to seriously defend those two theories.

        OP, this get's asked just about once a month. A quick search will get you more info than you can shake a stick at.
        Not quite, but the poster after you may have missed the sarcasm and smillie.

        I'm surprised no one's yet posted about the wonders of slide noise and dove loads.

        -hanko
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        Life's journey is not to arrive safely in a well preserved body, but rather to slide in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "holy schit...what a ride"!!

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        • #19
          voiceofreason
          Veteran Member
          • Oct 2010
          • 3785

          Peeps new to firearms might actually believe in birdshot & the slide thingy.

          Sarcasm is good between people with experience, but for the sake of the people doing a cursory scan to find a "quick answer", it's better to lay it out A-B-C... they usually don't require much more than a quick confirmation of what they expected to hear.

          Do it for "their" children.
          "You will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it."
          John Quincy Adams

          "You will never know how little my generation has traded away our freedoms and rights for. I'm sorry and ashamed for what we've left to the following generations."
          voiceofreason

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          • #20
            bigmark408
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2010
            • 551

            Choke !!

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            • #21
              6doubleR
              Member
              • Mar 2011
              • 419

              Originally posted by Blitzburgh
              Here are some links to some good Shotgun/Ammo/Penetration articles.

              The Website is called the "Box 'O Truth". It's an interesting site - some very no nonsense advice.

              Shotgun Penetration Tests: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm

              This page has many many articles on Shotguns and various ammo, barriers, chokes, patterning, etc: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/theboxotruth.htm

              And a must read article about fighting with a shotgun: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu83.htm

              The guy that runs the site is a former LEO and a very no-nonsense Texan. Don't upset him
              Thanks for that article regarding shotgun ammo. I was on the fence about #4/#1 buckshot but just ordered a bunch of 00 Buckshot for HD.

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              • #22
                Blitzburgh
                In Memoriam
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Jan 2011
                • 2635

                I totally forgot about this one:

                Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear.


                Another good source of info on Shotgun Ammo.
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                • #23
                  Apocalypsenerd
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 942

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                  • #24
                    thesolidus
                    Junior Member
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 2

                    On the other hand...

                    Just want to add another thought.

                    Why is it we all assume that "Home Defense" equals human intruder?

                    If you live in the country what about coyote's, (or attacking dogs), wildcat or raccoons? You may have to dispatch a feral cat near the house, a dog attacking a family member or a rabid raccoon from your roof.
                    00 buck might kill those, but big pellets have small patterns and big gaps...

                    You may want to have a whole bandoleer of shells, i figure I can only concentrate on two. (And as much as I'd like a 4x6 duplex and #1buck for ultimate versatility, I want something I can buy at wallmart.)

                    I like BB or BBB for anything smaller than 150lbs. Lots of pellets for a full pattern, devastating shallow wound channel and knockback. Still enough cloud to get larger birds as a hunting round. Plus it's sold in box of 25, cheapish and readily available. Plus a magnum BB of hevi-steel still has decent penetration (not "FBI proven" but close) so should work for traditional HD in a pinch. (And some gelatin tests here have shown near 12" penetration.)

                    Anything BB can't do? Next round loaded in the tube is 00 buck!

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