My 870 depression continues.

[nrakid88]

So, a while ago I bought a used 870 express, and sold the ribbed 26'' barrel for a non ribbed 18'' barrel that is threaded. Added a three shot extension, and a truglo Titan adjustable choke. I was so happy, I thought I had the best shotgun I could build, or at least the most versatile.

"Jack of all trades, master of none"

However that choke had to be set for open bore to shoot slugs, and the slug pattern was horrible. My LOP was also short so the gun would slap me in the face when I shot. I took the gun to shoot some Trap, and couldn't hit ANYTHING, maybe 1 out of 5. Tried my BIL's Weatherby, 2-3 out of 5, same with a semi 20ga. Then I went to a O/U 20ga, and got 7 out of 8.


Needless to say, I fell out of love with my 870. So I removed the three shot extension, put a modified choke (so it will pattern slugs better, and be alright for most bird ranges), and added a limbsaver slip on so that the LOP is perfect for me.


The gun fits me, and balances perfect. The four+1 capacity makes me still confident for a bedside gun. So I strip it down for a thurough cleaning, and SON OF A *****, THE CHOKE ISN'T CONCENTRIC WITH THE BORE Really? Remington, I pay $160 for a new barrel, and you **** ME?



The choke is oversized for the begining of the bore, so on one side it is almost flush with the bore, yet on the other side, the choke is like a hundreth of an inch away from the bore.


So I am going to pattern her on paper and see if it shoots straight. If it doesn't, Remington IS going to send me a PERFECT barrel, or I will burn them as often as possible.


Anyone have similiar experience?

[Barbarossa]

Who did you buy the Barrel from? Remington directly? Midway?

I'd RMA it with where ever you got in. E-mail customer service the photo an your order number.

[aippi]

If your the guy that bought it from me then you are not F** as you said. It would be very difficult for this to happen on a threaded barrel from the Factory as there is so little material left. The remaining walls are so thin that the slightest degree out of center would damage the wall. Also, these are lazer inspected and rejected for the slightest imperfection as a fracture is possible on these types of barrels if not threaded perfectly. So it is a safety and liability issue that Remington pays close attention to. However, that don't mean it can't. Just can't tell from the picture.

Have you checked to see if it is the choke tubes????????? Check both, since you did not notice this with the first one and did with the second one. Those are vendor supplied and that can be the issue, not the barrel. That should have been the first thing checked. If it is the choke tube then you have an easy fix and calling Remington will get you a new tube no questions asked. If by some reason they don't, and I am the seller, sending me that tube, if that is the issue will get you a new tube.

If it is the barrel they will replace it as they can't not have an issue out there like that. Reminding them that one wall of the barrel is so thin from being off center that the barrel is unsafe, and that will get the results you want and a new barrel.

[nrakid88]

How should I check the choke tube? I have no alternative tubes, besides for my Titan adjustable. I do have a pair of calipers, so I guess I will pull it out and see if I can measure some irregularities.

I have been reading online that Remington chokes are a crapshoot, and a Mod may range from a few chokes looser, to a few chokes tighter...

I guess I will take some measurements and report back. I hope its just the choke.

And yes, I did buy it from you, aippi, thanks for the quick response on the e-mail, as well as calguns, which I would not have expected.

[aippi]

I stand behind anything I sell, and then I give the Manufacture H E double L's. I have not seen issues with Rem Choke tubes but that is the first quess. I also don't pay much attention to stuff on line as there is often no way to verify the source. Guys slam Remington, Mossberg and about every other Brand out there on line yet the other hundrends of thousand, or in the case of Remington over 10 Million owners have no issues. So the few guys slamming the product seem like the majority. Bottom line is you are not stuck with the issue so rest assured then. If you had got it from somewhere else they might stick it on Remington and leave you hanging.

[Dirtbiker]

JD, you're the MAN.

With all the free advise you have on your website plus everything you do for us here you are the BEST.

Thanks for being part of Calguns.

[nrakid88]

aippi, you made my blues go away.

While I couldn't measure any irregularities in the remington choke, the Titan truglo has ZERO problem when installed. (Unless you count that it is a few thousandths overbored compared to the the Remington bore, but at least it is equal, and seems much tighter than the remington choke.

Where the shot enters the truglo choke, it measures .738, on the Remington it measures .743, with the remington modified constriction at .710, in case anyone wants some random numbers.

So my Remington choke blows by not being concentric, and is a little more overbored where it meets the bore than the minutely overbored Truglo titan. I am thinking this combination of slop will kill slug accuracy.

So do I send the choke to you or remington?

[nrakid88]

just re-read your message, I will call up remington to get a new choke.


Any word from the wise on what amount of choke gets the best slug patterns? I recall it being modified or improved cylinder, cant remember though.

[nrakid88]

I am feeling great about this shotgun again. Remington is closed so I am going to e-mail them.

Thanks again aippi

[Barbarossa]

Any word from the wise on what amount of choke gets the best slug patterns? I recall it being modified or improved cylinder, cant remember though.

I'd guess that would depend on the ammo being shot, I've heard some like Mod and some like I/C, but patterning the gun with the ammo your shooting is always the safe bet.

[nrakid88]

I need to get ahold of the Remington tactical slugs, I have read they are a larger diameter, and tighter in the bore which makes them more accurate.

[Barbarossa]

How far do you intend to shoot your shotgun?

Remington may be a good choice, but you should try a few brands and see what your gun shoots best.

[aippi]

I would not send it to them unless they ask and give you an RGA number and send you a shipping label. I would call and state the issue just as you did here and tell them you contacted a Remington Armorer who told you it was not the barrel and try a different choke tube. You did that and the issue is resloved but the Modified tube that came with the barrel is the issue and bad and the Armorer told you not to use as it is unsafe and to call Remington for a replacemenand request a new Rem Choke tube.

Let me know the name of the person you talk to and how they handled it. Heck, post what they do on here also as they need to be accountable for their product. If they don't make this right, I will since you got it from me. That is why I have 1,387 A+ ratings on GB and have never go less then an A+.

Also, Barbarossa is right, try different slugs as guns are funny and differ within the same model. What my 870 barrel likes and performs best with might make yours gag. So test a few brands and find the food that your beast loves to eat.

[runway1]

It would be very difficult for this to happen on a threaded barrel from the Factory as there is so little material left. The remaining walls are so thin that the slightest degree out of center would damage the wall. Also, these are lazer inspected and rejected for the slightest imperfection as a fracture is possible on these types of barrels if not threaded perfectly. So it is a safety and liability issue that Remington pays close attention to. However, that don't mean it can't. Just can't tell from the picture.

Just a general side note; being a 25 yr+ Mechanical Engineer in the fabrication/test area of aerospace (same principals), I totaly agree with this statement. With today's CNCs, SPC process controls and the simple geometric constraints that Aippi accuratley describes - I just don't see these things happening. I believe you've discovered the same.

Also, I BIG credit to Aippi for coming in, taking ownership and accountability, and closing an issue with a customer in such a professional manner.

Heck, I don't even know what this guy sells and I'm ready to buy something!

[nrakid88]

Also, I BIG credit to Aippi for coming in, taking ownership and accountability, and closing an issue with a customer in such a professional manner.

Heck, I don't even know what this guy sells and I'm ready to buy something!

heck, I bought from him just because he was the cheapest to offer what I needed. Now I will go back to him even if it costs more, gotta love businesses that take care of there customers.

Highly reccomend doing business with APITACTICAL