590A1 and slugs

[rocker]

Its not me....check out this thread. Its everything I have been talking about.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=454196

[meaty-btz]

From what I read the problem was caused by the too short of LOP. I fire in the facing stance with a longer LOP because it hurts less. When I collapse the stock to a very short LOP even in a facing stance I get the crap beat out of me.


FITTING FITTING FITTING. Get the shotgun that fits you correctly in the correct stance correctly shouldered and you won't get as beat up. Go with the recoil reduction stocks with springs in them and pads for even MORE recoil reduction. Magnum Slugs after a full tube will leave me GASPING from the smarting pain but it passes pretty fast. IF I need a full tube of magnum slugs I am in some really serious crapola and pain will be far from my mind.

BlackViper has some great suggestions for new hardware, get some. I would never get a 12"LOP fixed stock. There might be some uses for that short of a LOP but I honestly can't think of any, a PG shotgun would be better in those situations.

[damndave]

I had the Knoxx adjustable recoil reducing stock shooting Fiocchi reduced recoil slugs and it felt fine. We were able to hit the 100yrd steel at ASR standing no problem.

[POWG]

590A1 and slugs

Dude...

You are launching a 1 ounce lump of lead down a short barrel from a light platform @ anywhere from 1,400 > 1,800 or more FPS ...what did you expect!

Read POWG's post on this topic explaining why slugs & buckshot generate more recoil.

As a kid growing up in the glorious Commonwealth of VA, I killed many Whitetail Deer with Slugs & also Buckshot as did my dad. These were taken with from both 16 & 20 Ga., double barrel shotguns at distances up to 60 yards. Devastating when you hit em with a slug!

Slugs & guns today are far, far superior to what they were 45 years ago, and with nothing more than a ghost ring & front sight you can easily shoot accurately with your HD gun @ 100 yards once you learn how. Devil in these details however is truly the "effen" recoil. Not much you can do can do about that!

There are now specialized barrels for slugs and platforms designed for hunting. These are similar to HD configurations. In the hands of a even a reasonably competent shooter using quality Optics, Deer & other big game can be consistently taken at distances up to and even beyond 150 yards. Critical to success as always will be shot placement & the slug will do its job.

As for .410 Slugs ...they are kinda "cute" & will stop a human at close range ...but wild game is really wired differently. POWG would ask "why" and opt instead for a hunt with one of the magnum handgun platforms.

Practice a lot with your gun using target loads. Become consistent & proficient. Practice some with Buckshot, understanding that they too generate more recoil than an identical weight payload of "bird shot", for the same reason cited for the slugs.

Bottom line ...when you are proficient with your platform and confronted with a life & death situation ...recoil will be the last thing you will worry about ...or remember.

Keep shooting - be safe & have fun!

POWG is out.

[1998 m4a1]

at 20 yards i can have my 590 slugs all touching. you gotta learn to shoot and man up! if its hitting you in the face, you are holding it wrong. use your shoulder pocket to hold the stock and not your face! just some advice...

[M1A Rifleman]

Gain some weight as it sounds like your too small for the A1 JK

Practice my son and make sure the stock is in your shoulder firm and your cheek weld is correct. I tend to shoot my A1 once or twice a year, and the first time out last season, I near knocked myself silly with a poor cheek weld. My jaw hurt the rest of the day. As for accuracy with slugs, I can hit a steel plate off hand at 100 yds, so they are accurate and precise, just practice.

[MossbergMan]

Shooting Shouldn't Hurt

As many stated above, get some training. A good instructor will be able to see what you're doing wrong and fix it. It could be stock length, it could be a combination of many things, but shooting slugs shouldn't hurt.
If you're getting hit in the face and your shoulder is getting pounded, you are doing it all wrong. Get some help.
If I had to guess, from your description, I say your stock is too long. You may need a Bantam or Youth stock length for your gun. Yeah you can buy adjustable, "recoil reducing" stocks, but you're still not going to know how to operate a shotgun properly and as far as I'm concerned, recoil reducing stocks are crutches for those that won't get trained. I see the purpose for "adjustable" stocks. Many users can shoot the same SG without pain by adjusting the LOP (Length of Pull).
There was very good advice offered thoughout this thread, stop stumbling around in the dark and seek professional training.

[Rob454]

if the gun is hitting you in the face you are not holding it properly.

[JagerDog]

That 12" LOP stock is the problem. Those aren't meant for cheek-to-wood aiming. Your thumb whacks your face/nose.

[Shellshocker66]

I'm 5'3&3/4 inches tall, weigh 140 and female. I shoot my 590 with slugs no problem. Learned my lesson on how to hold on to a big shotgun when I was 12 and smaller. Uncle took me duck hunting in Arkansas with a 12 gauge magnum. First duck came flying out of the bush I tracked it, pulled the trigger, and bam! Stock flew into my face giving me the biggest shiner! He just about had a heart attack thinking my mom was going to kill him. Told me how to hold it tighter into the shoulder and let the body absorb the recoil. I bagged my limit that day with that huge shotgun that was taller then I was and had a nice war wound to go with it!

[prc77]

That 12" LOP stock is the problem. Those aren't meant for cheek-to-wood aiming. Your thumb whacks your face/nose.

With the 12" LOP I modify my strong hand grip.

This might help you also.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfH_v9rv3Js

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[racky]

you should take a class. i took one with stone cobra tactical (now it's Gray Ops). here's the link: http://www.gofast1.com/

here's my vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37HAdymL7FU

[1998 m4a1]

you should take a class. i took one with stone cobra tactical (now it's Gray Ops). here's the link: http://www.gofast1.com/

here's my vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37HAdymL7FU

you might wanna take cover if you are reloading that slowly in a fire fight. I doubt someones gonna just wait and let you reload. also, you might wanna move the targets out a little more. I mean seriously what is stone cobra tatical teaching you guys?

[racky]

you might wanna take cover if you are reloading that slowly in a fire fight. I doubt someones gonna just wait and let you reload. also, you might wanna move the targets out a little more. I mean seriously what is stone cobra tatical teaching you guys?

WOW! i'd like to explain what wasn't shown in the camera angle, but i won't. i'd also like to explain the philosophy of what a training enviroment is, but i won't. it seems you've already come to your own ignorant conclusions to listen in the first place. have a nice day!

[MossbergMan]

Distance isn't an issue

I watched the Stone Corbra video and as far a target distance is concerned, your shotgun engagements are going to be at handgun distances. That was practical. Only issue I had was the shooter, slicing the pie in the first part was leading with his foot/leg, offering a enticing target to an opponent.
Other than that, straight up tactical training. Nice transitions by the way.