Hammer Pump Trench Gun

[Jeffy]

Not sure if I'd buy from CND though. Bud's has it for a little less too. http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/91409

[Marlin Hunter]

no its a slam pump type

just squeeze the trigger and pump away

The Colt SAA handgun is the same way. Hold the trigger and fan the hammer.

[BroncoBob]

Just love mine

[Cranium]

would you really want to fire the **** out or an original?

Yup. Many of us fire the **** out of original 97s on a weekly basis. Tough little buggers. Granted, it's not slugs or magnums, but they work just dandy...

[Curley Red]

I love my original 97, shots like a beast.

[InGrAM]

I like my 97 norinco (non-trench) version. I would recommend buying one if you like them. I bought one after I saw "no country for old men". I would buy mine again in a heart beat.

The only thing you need to watch out for is that it has sharp edges and it cuts bad, lol. And I wouldn't suggest shooting buck shot threw it either. I had the extractor blow right out the side of it when using 00 buckshot. But other than that it is a great gun.

If the whole Chicom thing bugs you then get a Remington or a Mossberg. "made in the USA"

[jgaffney]

I have a 1926 Winchester Model 12 that was the successor to the hammer pump. It was someone's grandfather's duck gun, complete with a Cutt's Compensator external choke. I had the gunsmith cut the compensator off and trim the barrel down to 20". Except for the sling swivels, it's the same as the trench gun Model 12.

My Model 12 will do slam fires, but I don't see the need for it. It was designed to fire from the hip and sweep a trench clean (hence the name). I've read that the Germans saved a special treatment for any captured shotgunner. Unless you're planning on doing something similar, it's a waste of ammunition. You can't hold it on aim while you're slamming the rounds out.

Before you buy the hammer pump, check one out in person. When you rack the slide back, the top of the action comes back over the grip, just like a saddle gun. In fact, Winchester copied the action for the Model 97 from their 30-30 rifles. Anyway, there was a lot of cuts on the backs of the hands of the operators from the slide coming back before they figured out how to be more careful.

I've heard good and bad about the Norinco guns. The quality seems to have improved lately. You pays your money and takes your choice.

[renardsubtil]

From what I've read, a lot of people who went with the Norinco version just paid a lil more from a gunsmith to have the action worked on (this service seems to vary from $200-400). You can find plenty of cut down original 1897s on Gunbroker, I would not recommend purchasing one to cut down yourself, it's kinda heretical lol!

If you're interested in an original Winchester 1897, then PM me and I can give you a laundry list of things to look for as I've pretty much spent the last 6 months in search of "the one" and combed the interweb with a fine toothed comb (while wading through a lot of bull***** of course). These are stout shotguns that can easily last another 100 years given they're taken care of and all just like any other C&R firearm out there.