Hammer Pump Trench Gun

[blazeaglory]

I want it so bad but alas, its illegal in CA

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/91409-55.html

[Vash357]

How is that illegal in CA? It's pump action isn't it? As I follow the flow chart it's fine, CTD is just stupid about CA law and probably thinks the bayonet lug isn't allowed. Federal AW ban included bayonet lugs, CA doesn't care so far as I can tell.

Buds has it and will more than likely ship to CA http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/91409

[blazeaglory]

no its a slam pump type

just squeeze the trigger and pump away

[blazeaglory]

damn it seems that buds would send it...i thought the flow chart said "slam type" shotguns are illegal?

either way THANK YOU!!

EDIT: buds WILL send it but if it is a violation of CA law...

"Many of the Guns we sell are not legal for purchase in California. You have selected California as either your billing or shipping address. Any firearms purchased from us which violate California law will be canceled and payment refunded. If your order includes any guns please click HERE to check it(s) legality before placing your order."

[Vash357]

Well, I don't see anything in the flow chart about it, but my guess is that since it's not something most shotguns do it hasn't been specifically outlawed, and is therefore ok in CA. The only thing I can thing of is maybe a multiple shot per trigger pull issue, but you do still have to pump the thing. It's not like the slidefire AR stock or any other multi-burst device. Personally I think it's fine, but I could well be wrong.

[blazeaglory]

dude i hope your right. that would be awesome because i really want that shotgun

and for the life of me i cant seem to find the damn flow charts, can you send a link please? ive seriously been searching for a while. sometimes i find it quick, sometimes i dont.

[Vash357]

http://www.calguns.net/caawid/sgflowchart.pdf

They're right at the top of the page, under AW & OLL Guides.

[smokinjohn]

trench gun

Hello,

That is a copy (Chinese) of an 1897 Winchester. They will slam fire as will Ithaca Model 37's and some others. They are not illegal. The original Winchesters and copies are used by many in SASS matches and bought and sold in California. The Norinco branded ones have been disallowed from import for some time by the BATFE, but they are not illegal to possess.

John

[blazeaglory]

http://www.calguns.net/caawid/sgflowchart.pdf

They're right at the top of the page, under AW & OLL Guides.

ahh. thnx man

[blazeaglory]

ahh i interpreted #2 wrong, YOUR RIGHT...WOOHOO! happy days i found my shotgun!

[blazeaglory]

Hello,

That is a copy (Chinese) of an 1897 Winchester. They will slam fire as will Ithaca Model 37's and some others. They are not illegal. The original Winchesters and copies are used by many in SASS matches and bought and sold in California. The Norinco branded ones have been disallowed from import for some time by the BATFE, but they are not illegal to possess.

John

damnit its chinese? nothing against china but i want an American made trench gun. where does it say made in china? Interstate Arms Norinco is chinese?

EDIT: never mind i figured it out. oh well, at least the stock and corn cob pump are American, steel is steel i guess. although i would prefer to promote "buy American", sometimes it is unavoidable. the gun gets great reviews anyways

[Jeffy]

damnit its chinese? nothing against china but i want an American made trench gun. where does it say made in china? Interstate Arms Norinco is chinese?

Yes, Norinco is Chinese. They are mostly known for making the SKS and AK's. The Model 93, Model 87 and both Model 37's are built to a pretty high standard. Because they are popular in Cowboy Action shooting. IAC sent a well known 1897 gunsmith to China to help fix problems with the early guns. With the fixes and the use of modern machining, they are arguably better then the real thing.

A few years ago all of the IAC/Norinco shotguns started drying up because Norinco moved their factory to a new facility, so says IAC. This made the 93, 87 and 97's difficult to find. In the past few years they have started showing up on the market again. At least the Model 97 and 97T has. Not sure what happened to the M93 and M87 though.

Good luck finding an American made 1897 Trench. I haven't looked at them in a while but the ones I saw a few years ago were over $3000. Not to mention 50 to 100 years old. You can buy a 1897 with a long barrel for a couple hundred then have it cut down to 20" to make a Riot or add a heat shield and bayonet lug and make a Trench.

Oh and the Norinco's use American Walnut.

http://www.iacshotguns.com/99t.html

[Charles M. Failure]

How is that illegal in CA? It's pump action isn't it? As I follow the flow chart it's fine, CTD is just stupid about CA law and probably thinks the bayonet lug isn't allowed. Federal AW ban included bayonet lugs, CA doesn't care so far as I can tell.

Buds has it and will more than likely ship to CA http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/91409

My 590 has an "accessory lug"!

[blazeaglory]

Yes, Norinco is Chinese. They are mostly known for making the SKS and AK's. The Model 93, Model 87 and both Model 37's are built to a pretty high standard. Because they are popular in Cowboy Action shooting. IAC sent a well known 1897 gunsmith to China to help fix problems with the early guns. With the fixes and the use of modern machining, they are arguably better then the real thing.

A few years ago all of the IAC/Norinco shotguns started drying up because Norinco moved their factory to a new facility, so says IAC. This made the 93, 87 and 97's difficult to find. In the past few years they have started showing up on the market again. At least the Model 97 and 97T has. Not sure what happened to the M93 and M87 though.

Good luck finding an American made 1897 Trench. I haven't looked at them in a while but the ones I saw a few years ago were over $3000. Not to mention 50 to 100 years old. You can buy a 1897 with a long barrel for a couple hundred then have it cut down to 20" to make a Riot or add a heat shield and bayonet lug and make a Trench.

Oh and the Norinco's use American Walnut.

http://www.iacshotguns.com/99t.html

who am i kidding, i was sold from the beginning...

i heard the new ones are better for shooting than the old ones due to better metallurgy techniques, i mean, would you really want to fire the **** out or an original? hehe i wouldnt (maybe just a few pumps)

thnx man

[Dozen Gauge]

That's a good price from CTD. Auction Arms has them listed at $429.00.