Keltec Bullpup = CA State Restriction?

[Iggy]

See at that is where I think the confusion comes from. ATF is different from CA DOJ which means people are getting confused or their is FUD going around.

BATF can't restrict firearms per state only the state can. Or am I wrong?

[Grumpyoldretiredcop]

I just got an email today from an out of state distributor that said "Because of the 14rd capacity it doesn't meet the ATF laws for your state."

Time to find another distributor. ATFE doesn't enforce CA laws and doesn't care about them. Your distributor doesn't know what they're talking about or just doesn't want to deal with it.

[LeatherNuts]

When I joined this site I had no idea what FUD was, but now that I'm aware of it, it seems to plague me at every turn. It's like my ex-wife.

[RNC Armory]

According to the rep at Keltec, it is CA legal because it is a tube fed pump shotgun. The projected time frame I was given was last quarter 2011 but as with anything that could change.

[Iggy]

Does anyone want to give me a heads up on a rep from a distributor that will send these to ca? PM me please.

[LeatherNuts]

Does anyone want to give me a heads up on a rep from a distributor that will send these to ca? PM me please.

^^ +1

[stix213]

KelTec hasn't even finished developing the damn thing yet. It seems a little early to be trying to corner distributors on this thing when no one, not even people at KelTec, has seen the final product that will be shipping. All demo's and specs of this thing are with prototypes. Keltec could turn around tomorrow and make it function properly with only 1 of the 7 round mags installed, and then you could buy it that way and pop in a 2nd one yourself for all we know.

[Quiet]

Currently...

It is being discussed if it will be CA legal due to it's ammo capacity.

Group A believes it is CA legal due to the KSG using two seperate 7 round tubular magazines and has a switch that needs to be physically moved before the shotgun can feed from the other tubular magazine.

Group B believes it is not CA legal due to the KSG's overall capacity being greater than 10 rounds. They view that even though it is two seperate tubular magazines, it is consider one feeding device due to them being one unit attached to the firearm.

Summary...
CA large capacity magazine laws prohibits the importation of 11+ round magazines into CA after 01-01-2000. [PC 12020(a)(2)]

Group A believes it's CA legal because max ammo capacity is 7 + 7 + 1 = 15.

Group B believes it's not CA legal because max ammo capacity is 14 + 1 = 15.

I believe the Calguns Foundation is looking into this matter.


Penal Code 12020
(a) Any person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:
(2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity magazine.
(c)(25) As used in this section, "large-capacity magazine" means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(B) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(C) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.

[ElvenSoul]

If it ends up being deemed illegal, I bet if you can get a 1000 people to sign a pettition to KelTech...they will make one that conforms to state requirements.

[JaMail]

blah, ic an get a vote to have the mod's lock down any new threads about the legality of the KSG

[ben_r_]

Glad I didnt bother jumping on a pre-order for one of these. As much as I know as the rest of you do that this should by all means be a CA legal gun, I think you all feel as I do that CA will indeed find a way to make it not so. And just as a side note: I really wouldnt pay much attention to what a Keltec rep tells you, unfortunately they are not the CA state law nor even interpreters of it and even if they did manufacture this gun specifically to be CA legal, its scary looking and that is probably enough for some person in our ever wise and all knowing state govt somewhere to deem it not legal.

Best of luck to those who pre-ordered.

[762.DEFENSE]

Onpointsupply.com was taking pre-orders for the Key Tec @ $675 shipped. If you locked the price down months ago, it may have risen a bit.

[AM9000]

Even if it was banned from importation, you could still have a middle man alter it to 5+5 before bringing it in. Or 7+3...?

[straykiller]

Two separate tube magazines it should be fine, that being said i want one, wish it was semi but doest change my obsession of wanting one tho lol

[FatalKitty]

Glad I didnt bother jumping on a pre-order for one of these. As much as I know as the rest of you do that this should by all means be a CA legal gun, I think you all feel as I do that CA will indeed find a way to make it not so. And just as a side note: I really wouldnt pay much attention to what a Keltec rep tells you, unfortunately they are not the CA state law nor even interpreters of it and even if they did manufacture this gun specifically to be CA legal, its scary looking and that is probably enough for some person in our ever wise and all knowing state govt somewhere to deem it not legal.

Best of luck to those who pre-ordered.

Thankfully this is a republic. Where someone's feelings about something do not make it illegal. It's the LAW that makes it legal - as in "A large capacity feeding device holding more than 10 rounds."
it does NOT say "A collection of feeding devices placed together in close proximity to each other that when each individual device's capacity is added together amounts to more than 10 rounds."