922r issues on a Saiga 12 with threaded barrel

[superbart3000]

From my basic understanding of 922r(which may or may not be correct), my part count must be 10 or less in order to make my saiga 12 non-sporting. But using clips above 5 rounds makes it non-sporting.
So, for instance, if I put a 10 round USA made clip; the clip would count for three parts and the shotgun starts out at 14, which leaves me at an illegal count of 11. Which means until I add at least 1 additional compliant part, it is federally illegal for me to attach a 10 round clip to my shotgun. And unless I make much more modifications, it is also illegal for me to attach any foreign made high-capacity clips to my shotgun. Am I correct in this?

Also unless I add 1 additional compliant part and have a compliant clip worth 3 parts, I cannot change my stock over to the factory skeleton stock. And if I do change the stock, I can never use foreign clips again. Am I also correct in this?

I want to customize my saiga, but I don't want to inadvertently violate 922r.

Finally, I would appreciate it if anyone could let me know of a quality gunsmith in the so-cal area, that is proficient in customizing saigas with internal usa made parts, so I don't have to worry about 922r anymore.

[TZL]

The problem is your saiga uses clips....I would get it fixed so that is uses magazine :-P


yes you are correct, in order to run 10 round MAGAZINES, you need one more compliance part, many people replace the gas puck b/c its super cheap at $20

[Sam .223]

if you absolutely have to have a factory skeleton stock then replace the gas puck with a US made one and you're GTG. if you don't want to change the gas puck find a US made skeleton stock you like.

[Shady]

is it converted yet?

if not maybe you should convert it , that will solve your current problem and many other problems that stock saigas have


ps YOU PUT PAPERCLIPS IN YOUR SAIGA?!?!?!?!

[superbart3000]

It's not converted yet. I would like to, but I don't know a good gunsmith I can trust that is familiar with converting a saiga 12. I would like to change 4 parts to compliance parts, so I never have to worry about 922r again, but my fear is that I'll pick a bad gunsmith and he'll ruin my shotgun somehow. I've had some bad luck with gunsmiths, so I'll afraid to try any which don't come with a good credible recommendation.

[Cokebottle]

Keep in mind that ADDING a domestic part does not count toward compliance. You must REPLACE an imported part.

Example... doing the pistol grip conversion, using a domestic PG does not change the imported parts count... the original barrel, piston, and magazine are still there and counted.
So doing the PG conversion will not reduce the imported count by 4 parts... it only reduces by the 3 parts of the FCG.

Likewise, threading the barrel and adding a domestic muzzle brake does not reduce the imported parts count.

[superbart3000]

The problem is your saiga uses clips....I would get it fixed so that is uses magazine :-P


yes you are correct, in order to run 10 round MAGAZINES, you need one more compliance part, many people replace the gas puck b/c its super cheap at $20

Yes I realize the preferred term on this site is "magazine". But I've spent my entire life calling them clips, and I don't plan on changing my phrasing because some people prefer specific technical terms as oppose to common colloquialisms. Everybody I know calls them clips.

[superbart3000]

Keep in mind that ADDING a domestic part does not count toward compliance. You must REPLACE an imported part.

Example... doing the pistol grip conversion, using a domestic PG does not change the imported parts count... the original barrel, piston, and magazine are still there and counted.
So doing the PG conversion will not reduce the imported count by 4 parts... it only reduces by the 3 parts of the FCG.

Likewise, threading the barrel and adding a domestic muzzle brake does not reduce the imported parts count.

I realize that I must replace foreign parts to make the total count drop. I was under the assumption that certain internal parts could be swapped out in order to drop the count. I know the gas piston counts as one. I know a lot of people swap the fire control group. What other parts can I change? I bought a replacement recoil spring, would that count as a part? Or is that irrelevant?

[Twinspool]

I'm an ignorant dingus hiding behind my mouth-breathing, finger-sniffing friends' incorrect use of the english language to try and save face on teh intarwebz

Nice of you to share.

[Cokebottle]

Nice of you to share.

You've been around long enough to know better than that.

[Cokebottle]

I realize that I must replace foreign parts to make the total count drop. I was under the assumption that certain internal parts could be swapped out in order to drop the count. I know the gas piston counts as one. I know a lot of people swap the fire control group. What other parts can I change? I bought a replacement recoil spring, would that count as a part? Or is that irrelevant?

You are pretty limited on the AK platform.
Fire control group is normally changed when the PG upgrade is done. I'm not aware of any US parts for the non-converted FCG.

Now the good news.

If you do the PG conversion and replace the original furniture, the buttstock and handguards give you two more parts.

Recoil spring is not counted.

So, buttstock, handguards, FCG, gas piston... there's 6 parts there without touching the magazine.

[Sam .223]

http://thegunwiki.com/Gunwiki/BuildAkVerifyCompliance

this might help.

[QQQ]

If you have a fixed magazine (which is a must if it's in CA and not a RAW) and no pistol grip or folding/telescoping stock, you can have 6-10 shell magazines without doing the 922r conversion.

If you have the money, folks here and at Saiga-12.com recommend getting the conversion to a pistol grip with 922r-compliant parts.

[Shady]

converting a saiga is easier then making a tv dinner

do a search online

you can do it by yourself very easily

[QQQ]

converting a saiga is easier then making a tv dinner

do a search online

you can do it by yourself very easily

So I've heard...

Too bad it's slightly more expensive than a TV dinner.