Bean bag or rubber bullet shell?

[richie3888]

I need some home defense ammo. I know some will say bird shot but I don't feel comfortable with that. Which one should I get? Does anybody know where I could buy some in the bay area? Or should I buy some online? Any good deals?

[eccvets]

dont use either of those cuz if you do, your just a jackwagon! use slugs or 00buck with mag loads (15 shots) only for home defence. the idea of home defence is not to play around, its to stop someone which is going to take your life. If you wanna play around and be some kinda action hero, I suggest you sell all your guns cuz your just gonna get yourself in to trouble/killed !

[currie954]

I need some home defense ammo. I know some will say bird shot but I don't feel comfortable with that. Which one should I get? Does anybody know where I could buy some in the bay area? Or should I buy some online? Any good deals?

as was mentioned before your trying to stop an intruder who is threatening your life and those of your family. 00 Buck is the way to go. Bean bags/rubber pellets are basically law enforcment ammo anyway; not to say you can get some if you really tried but if you use them and the intruder lives you will be screwed in court everytime as now he is a survivor with a story to tell. DEAD INTRUDERS DONT TALK!!!

[Reductio]

Don't use less-lethal ammo. It's for trained professionals in very specific environments.

Frist of all, the ammo CAN kill, and at the ranges inside your home with a torso shot, those chances are not impossible.

Secondly, the flip side is that the ammo is simply unpredictable, and may not even phase some perps, particularly if they have a lot of clothes on.

More importantly though, you'll still be charged with use of deadly force, as California doesn't distinguish less-lethal (NOT less-than-lethal) ammo from any other kind of projectile you could shoot. In other words, buck, slug, birdshot or beanbag, you have to make the same decisions before you can shoot. It's not worth it.

[EasyE]

You can get them no problem. I have seen them online for purchase, all kinds, bean bags, rubber bullets and other things. Just do the google.

Although I do have to side with everyone else on this one. I considered getting some for hd but decided against it. I mean, do you really want to just bruise the "undocumented house guest" that's there to potentially harm you and your family?

I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6

[Quiet]

Don't use less-lethal ammo. It's for trained professionals in very specific environments.

Frist of all, the ammo CAN kill, and at the ranges inside your home with a torso shot, those chances are not impossible.

Secondly, the flip side is that the ammo is simply unpredictable, and may not even phase some perps, particularly if they have a lot of clothes on.

More importantly though, you'll still be charged with use of deadly force, as California doesn't distinguish less-lethal (NOT less-than-lethal) ammo from any other kind of projectile you could shoot. In other words, buck, slug, birdshot or beanbag, you have to make the same decisions before you can shoot. It's not worth it.

Part in bold should really be considered when deciding on using less lethal ammo.

[shooterdude]

You need to kill the m-f'er!

[WDE91]

you launch lead not rose pedals
00 reduced recoil buckshot

[mif_slim]

I need some home defense ammo. I know some will say bird shot but I don't feel comfortable with that. Which one should I get? Does anybody know where I could buy some in the bay area? Or should I buy some online? Any good deals?

I rather pheasant shot #4 then rubber shot. JMO. If your going to shoot someone for self-defence, prepare to kill em or dont shoot at all.

Did you hear of that one old granny who shot a theif stealing her purse? Got him in the elbow and didnt finish him off, he turned around and file lawsuite and won the case.

[WDE91]

remember

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2shuyGrRL0

[FatalKitty]

Something you may not realize is that every time this less-lethal ammo is deployed, it is ALWAYS backed up by lethal force.
so unless you plan to have a trained professional their backing up your half assed ammo with something that will REALLY stop a threat, then don't use it.

some things to consider:
having a shotgun loaded with this stuff means you're more likely to use it. More likely to make mistakes in positively identifying and responding to a threat appropriately. You run the risk of injuring the intruder, and he then sues you and wins (because he WILL win)

This stuff is NOT less than lethal - it is called "less lethal" as in.. not as likely to kill. It is still possible to kill with these rounds, especially when used by someone with no training on the subject (I know you have no training because you're asking about them here)

If you've got a gun drawn on someone in your house, with your finger on the trigger it better be for a DAMN good reason. The ONLY reason is that you are in a position where you have no other options for saving your own or your loved ones lives. It means that this is a violent home invasion - the suspect probably having a gun/knife or buddies, and has NOT tried to escape when he notices you are there... this means that they are there to do you harm - beat you sensless, rape your wife and daughter in front of you savagely... then set the on fire while you watch and hear their screams and then kill you with a screwdriver. Graphic enough? good, take this thought to the next point.

The point of less lethal is pain compliance... so what exactly do you think you're going to convince these violent home invaders of? that maybe their actions won't be so beneficial to society? Even with the lethal capability of less lethal... you run the risk of it working so poorly that all it does is make your attacker realize that you are defenseless, has pissed him off. He either fires are you, runs at you with his knife, or simply runs into the next room where you now can't take a lethal shot due to family members in the house.

The point of defending yourself is that you are going to stop the threat - before he stops you. That is PUT HIM THE **** DOWN, don't give him the chance to fire at you, look at you, think about you, or do anything that puts you and your loved ones at risk. you NEVER point a shotgun at something you don't intend to DESTROY.

[evidens83]

Who said birdshot? FAIL....

[mif_slim]

Something you may not realize is that every time this less-lethal ammo is deployed, it is ALWAYS backed up by lethal force.
so unless you plan to have a trained professional their backing up your half assed ammo with something that will REALLY stop a threat, then don't use it.

some things to consider:
having a shotgun loaded with this stuff means you're more likely to use it. More likely to make mistakes in positively identifying and responding to a threat appropriately. You run the risk of injuring the intruder, and he then sues you and wins (because he WILL win)

This stuff is NOT less than lethal - it is called "less lethal" as in.. not as likely to kill. It is still possible to kill with these rounds, especially when used by someone with no training on the subject (I know you have no training because you're asking about them here)

If you've got a gun drawn on someone in your house, with your finger on the trigger it better be for a DAMN good reason. The ONLY reason is that you are in a position where you have no other options for saving your own or your loved ones lives. It means that this is a violent home invasion - the suspect probably having a gun/knife or buddies, and has NOT tried to escape when he notices you are there... this means that they are there to do you harm - beat you sensless, rape your wife and daughter in front of you savagely... then set the on fire while you watch and hear their screams and then kill you with a screwdriver. Graphic enough? good, take this thought to the next point.

The point of less lethal is pain compliance... so what exactly do you think you're going to convince these violent home invaders of? that maybe their actions won't be so beneficial to society? Even with the lethal capability of less lethal... you run the risk of it working so poorly that all it does is make your attacker realize that you are defenseless, has pissed him off. He either fires are you, runs at you with his knife, or simply runs into the next room where you now can't take a lethal shot due to family members in the house.

The point of defending yourself is that you are going to stop the threat - before he stops you. That is PUT HIM THE **** DOWN, don't give him the chance to fire at you, look at you, think about you, or do anything that puts you and your loved ones at risk. you NEVER point a shotgun at something you don't intend to DESTROY.

Wait a minute, so they do this in every home invasion??



lol, just messing with you. Good response! +1

[Saym14]

if your life is in danger - shoot to stop the threat. use oo buck.

if you want to play games toss some bean bags.

[Steve1968LS2]

If I have to shoot someone in my home (God forbid) I want them dead since they were a threat to my life. If they arn't a threat I don't want to shoot them, but if I shoot I don't plan on wounding, that's not how Police are trained and it makes sense.

I can guarnatee that if you use less than lethal force the guy, no matter what his intentions were, will take you to court and sue your ***.