Bean bag or rubber bullet shell?

[magsnubby]

Sell the shotgun and buy a baseball bat.

[FatalKitty]

Wait a minute, so they do this in every home invasion??



lol, just messing with you. Good response! +1

you may as well assume so - not taking the threat seriously is not something you want to live with the rest of your life.

[hcbr]

slugs , buckshot are my ammo of choice when someone wants to threaten my life, always pick some up from wally world or big 5 when they're good buys. I agree with some of the folks here, if they're gonna threaten my fiance and my family, then they're going to be put down like a brick.

[TheKlawMan]

My unprofessional feeling is pretty much with the majority. Forget the bean bag and rubber bullets. They can also be lethal depending on use and I believe they are desighed for crowd control; not for self defense. Where I differ with a few is on when to level a weapon at an intruder. I may misunderstand, but some seem to think you only point if you are going to shoot. If we are in a middlle of the night scenario, you may need to point to identify the apparent intruder with a weapon mounted flashlight.

If they mean don't point unless you are ready to take a life, if needed, I agree.

Where I also disagree is with some that think it is open season on any intruder in your home. If they are not threatening you or anotyher with imminent bodily harm, I would not shoot. If they want to get the hell out, I would say bye. But if necessary, and I would be sick about it, pull the trigger.

[Pvtryan]

If somebody tries to harm my family in our home, its either him or him will perish...

Sell the shotgun and buy a baseball bat.

OMG! You guys make me laugh!!!
How about a BB gun?

[Mikeb]

Mif Sim hit the nail on the head.
rule #2 never point a gun at something you are not willing to destroy.
Rubber bullets and bean bags are for riots...
take care
Mike

[magsnubby]

OMG! You guys make me laugh!!!
How about a BB gun?

Only if it's a tacticool BB gun.

[todd2968]

You think the criminals breaking in your house are using rubber bullets?
Why then should you!!!
+20 M. F. breaks into your house and you fear for your life, kill him dead if you wound him you know he will sue you in court with a good lawyer.

When I saw these online I thought the same thing 1st round bean bag and maybe the next OOBuck, but I've since thought about it and don't want some liberal judge throwing me in jail cause bean bags, and rubber bullets don't equal fearing for you life.

[richie3888]

You guys are right! Buckshot it is.

Thanks for all the help

[Steve1968LS2]

I may misunderstand, but some seem to think you only point if you are going to shoot. .

No, I think the concensus was if you're going to shoot then shoot to kill or at least be prepared to take a life.


If I point my shotgun at someone threatening me or my family and he drops his weapon and runs away than he can go and I will count that as a win. If he chooses to remain threatening then he will soon find out the answer to life's greatest mystery.

[inbox485]

Boiling this down to a handful of snippets:

- Birdshot is a pain compliance deterrent that leaves a gory mess of a wound that is sometimes eventually fatal.
- Rubber/bean bag rounds in all their many varieties are also pain compliance deterrents that don't make the gory mess and don't tend to cause permanent damage when used properly.
- Buckshot/Slugs ventilate and destroy the vital organs that the POS trying to harm you relies on to continue harming you.

I use buckshot, buckshot and only buckshot. If you absolutely positively can't bring yourself to put buckshot/slugs up front, and you still think having a shotgun at all for HD is still a good idea, I'd suggest a rubber hornet's nest instead of birdshot.

[Cokebottle]

Don't use less-lethal ammo. It's for trained professionals in very specific environments.

Frist of all, the ammo CAN kill, and at the ranges inside your home with a torso shot, those chances are not impossible.

+10,000

A private citizen involved in a shooting is far different than a LEO involved in a shooting.

Our ONLY justified shooting situation is when we are in fear for our life, the life of another, or fear of great physical harm.

That is not a situation where less-than-lethal should be used.
You are shooting to STOP the threat, not to merely hurt the threat and hope that they retreat.
Crowd control is far different from personal protection. Would you pop a tear gas canister in your living room?

00-Buck

Birdshot will hurt, but it may not even penetrate the skin after encountering denim or leather.

The only "less than lethal" self defense options that should be considered (and these would be for use outside of the home, in no small part because of the difficulty in obtaining a CCW) would be pepper spray or a quality tazer (not the typical gun show "stun guns", they are worthless).

[Cokebottle]

No, I think the concensus was if you're going to shoot then shoot to kill or at least be prepared to take a life.

We never "shoot to kill"
We shoot to stop the threat
We must be prepared to accept the fact that doing so may result in the death of one or more human beings or animals.

[CSACANNONEER]

Rubber buckshot is a blast to shoot. There is zero recoil. I've used it to chase away predators from a private petting zoo before. However, I would NEVER think of using any less leathal ammo to protect my life from a human intruder. If you don't want to use normal ammo in a SD situation, keep you gun locked in the safe and take whatever your attacker is about to give you, your wife and your children. I would not want to hear about someone using less lethal force to protect a life and having the attacker end up with a new firearm.

[TheKlawMan]

No, I think the concensus was if you're going to shoot then shoot to kill or at least be prepared to take a life.


If I point my shotgun at someone threatening me or my family and he drops his weapon and runs away than he can go and I will count that as a win. If he chooses to remain threatening then he will soon find out the answer to life's greatest mystery.

You are talking about the "consensus", while I commented on what "some" think I could have chose a better word. I meant a minority or a few think you don't point unless you are going to shoot. Regardless, I agree it isn't smart to point or even pull out a weapon unless you are prepared to use it.

My personal feeling is in the situation where the intruder continues to remain a threat, as in they are holding but neither retreating not attacking, if the sitution permits (such as I don't have to worry about his buddies coming in antoher door) I am holding fire until LEO gets there.