I need some info on Perazzi shotguns

[captbilly]

I may be able to get a matched set of two Perazzi shotguns. These are a set of two over under guns in outstanding condition. Probably over 20 years old. I know practically nothing about Perazzi shotguns but I have heard that they are outstanding competition guns. If you can give me some idea of what to look for and what they might be worth that would be great.

[kmca]

Need more details. Model? Barrels? Perazzi offers a match 4 gun set for $375,000.

[edbon9]

Perazzi are what most top competitors use on ATA competition. matched pairs are not very common (most likely 12/20ga right?) competition guns start at around 12K+ not including upgraded wood (Which most combos do have i.e. SCO wood). do they have any engraving done? that raises the price. any inlaid gold? etc/etc? it would be hard to give you an idea on worth without pictures. what you need to look at is whether the guns have matched serial numbers? (this includes the wood). whether the locking bolt is still tight? (if the top lever is to the right you are good, to the middle or left of center you may need to rebuild), whether the forend wood is still tight to the gun etc/etc.

[eccvets]

all i know is that they are fken expensive. that ususally means they are good.

[captbilly]

I am just getting the info

I believe that they are a set of identical guns, so that the shooter can hand one to his loader while he shoots the other. The owner has had them for several decades and never used them, but possibly the previous owner did shoot them in competition. The present owner isn't even a shooter, he just got them from one of his wealthy neighbors, and he might be willing to part with them during Thanksgiving dinner. Money really isn't an issue for either of us but fairness is. I want to be sure he is compensated fairly, but he doesn't need to be paid more than they are worth, since he really doesn't need the money (maybe doesn't even want the money). I cannot put this guy through picture taking or,"I'll get back to you later", so I have to have a rough idea before I make the deal. If matching serial numbers makes the guns worth twice as much then I will check the numbers. If a certain type of engraving makes them worth an extra $10K then that would be very good to know. I see that the range of prices on these guns is all over the place, from maybe $5,000 for a basic gun to $50k or more for something really special, I just don't know what makes them special?

[n2k]

Where you located?

These guys are the best for info about high end shotguns. Especially Perazzi.

http://www.pacificsportingarms.com

Ask for the owner, John.

[Thefeeder]

I believe that they are a set of identical guns, so that the shooter can hand one to his loader while he shoots the other. The owner has had them for several decades and never used them, but possibly the previous owner did shoot them in competition. The present owner isn't even a shooter, he just got them from one of his wealthy neighbors, and he might be willing to part with them during Thanksgiving dinner. Money really isn't an issue for either of us but fairness is. I want to be sure he is compensated fairly, but he doesn't need to be paid more than they are worth, since he really doesn't need the money (maybe doesn't even want the money). I cannot put this guy through picture taking or,"I'll get back to you later", so I have to have a rough idea before I make the deal. If matching serial numbers makes the guns worth twice as much then I will check the numbers. If a certain type of engraving makes them worth an extra $10K then that would be very good to know. I see that the range of prices on these guns is all over the place, from maybe $5,000 for a basic gun to $50k or more for something really special, I just don't know what makes them special?

What makes them special is Model, action (sidelock or boxlock), level of wood, engraving (how much and which engraver), rarity.

Perazzi is one the hardest manufacture to price older pieces. Without information on the above, it is impossible.

[bjl333]

What makes them special is Model, action (sidelock or boxlock), level of wood, engraving (how much and which engraver), rarity.

Perazzi is one the hardest manufacture to price older pieces. Without information on the above, it is impossible.

Agreed !!! The gun could be a field pair also. Generally paired guns are field guns and not Comp guns.

[PutTogether]

If money really is no issue between you, but you know each other and have a decent relationship (I assume there must be some kind of relationship if you are having Thanksgiving Dinner together)

Why not agree to a nominal sum, with your word as promise that if you find out they are worth significantly more, that you will return them of pay the balance. Obviously you proffer this in a friendly way, not a contractual one.

"Hey bud, I'm pretty sure that $7500 (i made this figure up) is fair for both these guns. Before I shoot em up though, I'm going to have them inspected for safe operation and stuff, given their age. While I'm at it, if I find out they are some sort of drastic rarity, I promise to come back and make it right."

[prc77]

check this link, might help some, maybe

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewforum.php?f=110&sid=6c94e9aec206692771d65437e8f08a83

[parcours]

If they are 20 years old, you can bet they are a Type 3 forearm. Not that this a bad thing, forearm iron and barrels will be limited to the older style. Like others have said, to be able to give you more information we would need at least the serial number range, is it 5 digits in the 30000 range or 90000 range.

Engraving or none will also make a difference. Drop out trigger MX-8, selectable or non-selectable, or maybe an MX-12 non-drop out and coil springs, all these factors and more will make a difference.

Now, if they are competition guns or field guns will not make that big of a difference, but if they are a matched pair, ie, the serial numbers are consecutive and the on the top lever on one has a #1 and the other a #2 that will definitely add to the value.

If you can get a picture that would be great. One thing, if the shotguns have engraving on the receiver and when you open the action adjacent to the serial number you see a gold oval with MAP and next to that you see SCO, then my friend you have a very nice set. One way to make sure that in fact you have an SCO is to remove the trigger assembly (drop-out trigger) if it's an MX-8 and make sure that the hammers, trigger and other misc parts within the trigger assembly are gold plated, and the serial number on the trigger also matches the receiver.

[edbon9]

take a look at the online perazzi catalog.

http://perazzi.it/Pages/default.aspx?ID=421

that should give you an idea on what model your friend has.
as a baseline a trap model mx8 with o/u barrels goes for $5-7K dollars, with no engraving. I did see an mx8 highly engraved and the owner had valued it at over $25K,
again with SCO upgraded wood,etc,etc. so they may be in between those ranges. if you want someone to appraise them, then find out the serial number and call perazzi usa, Lucio will be happy to assist you and can find out anything about the guns.

http://www.perazzi.com/Pages/en_perazzi_usa.aspx

[ysr_racer]

You guys are pricing new guns. MX3's go for WAY less.

Hard to say what they are without looking at them.

[captbilly]

I was afraid it would be complicated to value

I really appreciate all the great info you guys are giving me. I seems to me that valuing a Perazzi is much like valuing anything else that is fairly rare and comes in a wide range of models and upgrades, which is to say that it would take an expert to do it. I had hoped that I could just get a good guess at the value without an actual appraisal but that seems unlikely. What I am hearing is that the value of these guns could be anywhere from a few thousand dollars to 10s of thousands. I am almost certain the owner has no idea of their value, and I certainly don't know enough to place a reasonable value on them. I had wanted to do a friendly quick trade (money for guns), but I don't want to turn a Thanksgiving dinner into a gun appraisal and buying occasion. Perhaps at Christmas, if I know enough by then, I can do this quickly and without distracting from the celebration.

[ROCKETW19]

If money really is no issue between you, but you know each other and have a decent relationship (I assume there must be some kind of relationship if you are having Thanksgiving Dinner together)

Why not agree to a nominal sum, with your word as promise that if you find out they are worth significantly more, that you will return them of pay the balance. Obviously you proffer this in a friendly way, not a contractual one.

"Hey bud, I'm pretty sure that $7500 (i made this figure up) is fair for both these guns. Before I shoot em up though, I'm going to have them inspected for safe operation and stuff, given their age. While I'm at it, if I find out they are some sort of drastic rarity, I promise to come back and make it right."

Yup ask if you can have them checked out for saftey and while you are there you will figure out a price.
since you know zero about the gun what if it has all the special do dads on it to look like a 20K gun but the internals or something has been swapped out now its worth 20bucks. its better to just take it to someone that knows when you are talking that kinda cash.