SBS Shotgun

[1064chubbs]

So is the SBS (Short Barrel Shotgun) completely banned from california or can it be purchased, with the ATF approval of course. I was thinking somthing along the lines like this: http://www.mainemilitary.com/product...idproduct=1290

[bwiese]

It's a no-no. It's in same territory as full-auto/MGs, SBRs, etc.

Geez, you think they'd afford us any opportunity to have SBSes and SBRs, when we're fighting over trivialities on fixed 10rd magazines?

[shinigami]

I wonder how much that would kick? or is the recoil lesser?

[joel1316]

Wouldn't it kick less?
Shorter barrel, less gas pressure build up?
I'd assume, you'd get quite a flash though

Man I love all these new smilies...

[1064chubbs]

It's a no-no. It's in same territory as full-auto/MGs, SBRs, etc.

Geez, you think they'd afford us any opportunity to have SBSes and SBRs, when we're fighting over trivialities on fixed 10rd magazines?

Well I was under the impression that only semi-auto centerfire SBR's were outlawed and I thought since its a pump action shotgun it would be exempt from the CA shotgun laws like rimfires are exempt from centerfire laws. well are the SBR rimfires also illegal.

[bwiese]

Well I was under the impression that only semi-auto centerfire SBR's were outlawed

NO NO NO NO NO! Making assumptions is an easy way to go to jail.

You are confusing the body of California assault weapons law vs. both Fed and Calif. SBS & SBR law. AW status is separate and independent from SBR/SBS status - you could break one or both sets of laws.

The combination of 'semiauto' & 'centerfire' attributes do start determining whether or not a rifle is an assault weapon. But they have nothing to do with whether a firearm is an SBS or SBR (or AOW, on a Fed basis).

and I thought since its a pump action shotgun it would be exempt from the CA shotgun laws

No! Even a double-bbl shotgun or a single-barrel break-top shotgun can be an SBS if it has a barrel under 18" and/or its overall length is under 26".

like rimfires are exempt from centerfire laws.:

This criterion is only useful when considering whether a rifle is an assault weapon or not. Rimfire status does *not* affect whether or not a semiauto pistol is an assault weapon, nor whether a firearm is an SBR or not. (I will note that if a pistol is not a semiauto, there is no way it can be an assault weapon.)

Rimfire pistols can indeed be considered assault weapons because the AW definitions specify "semiautomatic pistol" as opposed to "semiautomatic centerfire rifle". That's what all the ruckus was when it was found Walther P22 pistols sold in CA had threaded bbls (and even though the DOJ had approved them as 'safe handguns') and the big recall occurred.

( well are the SBR rimfires also illegal.

Yes, indeed. The prohibitions against SBRs in 12020(c) included no differentiation for rimfire vs centerfire.

[1064chubbs]

Thanks for the explanation.

[randy]

On a shotty that long I think I'd rather have a O/U or a side by side. same amount of rounds and less work, plus faster to reload.

[1064chubbs]

Just found out it is possible to legally purchase one but not even close to likely anyone will get the permit to do so.http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12095.php

[bwiese]

Just found out it is possible to legally purchase one but not even close to likely anyone will get the permit to do so.http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12095.php

Yes, as I was saying before, they're essentially in same league as SBRs, MGs, etc at the state level.

Fed level is not that big a problem - $200 transfer tax. Finding a CLEO to sign off may be a problem.

So again, for all practical purposes you will not get an SBS, SBR, etc. permit at state level. These are permits are issued on discretionary basis, and their discretion says No. Even assault weapon permits are not given out (w/exception of military folks stationed here, for which there is a specific policy.)

[DedEye]

It's a shame too, because I absolutely lust after one of these: