870 express extraction issue... easy fix? See Post 33

[aippi]

Mark112 - Remington is not a Horrible company. Sending a new weapon to a service center is always and option, however, the polishing rod is also a tool that you will use when you clean your weapon. So the advise to forget it is misguided.

Of hundreds of this same barrel I have sold, and the 50+ that I have in the shop for sale none have extraction issues. Why? because this same device corrected it. It is a preventitive coating that keeps the weapon from rusting in long term storage not a manufacturing issue and cheap ammo that causes this. Get that off the chamber steel and the issue is over. And yes, some of these weapon sit in the warehouses of distributors for months and months before the make it to us dealers and then may sit in the gun shops for months so this is a good thing to do to these weapons.

If you can't polish your chamber and bore, how the heck are you going to maintain the weapon and keep it clean? Send it to a Service Center for cleaning?

I doubt they "Recut" your chamber as I don't even know what that means. I doubt they even honed it. They simply ran a chamber rod through it and polished it out and you did without your weapon for a few days for nothing. And yes I have lightly honed a couple with a ball hone but not for this reason.

However if someone can not construct this simple polishing rod and use it nor clean their weapon properly then I recommend taking it to a gun smith for cleaning. So sending the weapon in may have been the best option for you. Others will correct the issue simply and without mailing their weapon somewhere.

[Skidmark]

JD - why not make a new video (that focuses on JUST the chamber polishing), put it on YouTube, and link to it on your site? Your other video, that shows your polishing rod technique, is nominally for people putting on longer extensions, is that right? Just suggesting, it might help some folks get what you're saying if there were a short video example.

[fnslpmark112]

Remington's quality has been going downhill for years. Be careful about those that defend their poor quality when they have a "Remington" based business. Not very objective.

This is a huge problem. It is more than preservative. Even if it was, it would demonstrate the fact that 870 express barrels rust extremely fast and Remington is negligent to inform their customers of the need to remove this ridiculous goo in their nice new gun. But, it is not the preservative. They cut corners and use their customers as their quality assurance testing service.

[rudeboy3]

I dont have a remington based buisness so I will chime in. Do you send in your FN because it has to be cleaned...no didnt think so. When I bought a mossberg auto it had this disgusting gunk all over the inside of it. Does that mean its a bad gun? No it doesnt, it just means you have to clean it up a little(BTW the mossberg still has not ran the way it was described). As for a rusting issue, ALL guns will rust if you dont maintain them and oil them accordingly. Now has my 870 ran as well as I would like, no it hasnt but I have a feeling that will be solved in the next few days by, you guessed it aippi. Oh and I also had to polish my mossberg. Please stop with the Hatorade.

[rojocorsa]

Seeing that this is a common issue on new 870s, (in other words, havent been shot enough to be smoothed out)...

I propose that there is a master thread about extraction issues formed, and that said thread be a sticky.

Is that reasonable?

[aippi]

I am working on a video for cleaning the 870 using all AI&P Tactical Cleaning products. Like the AI&P Tactical Cleaning rod ( hard wood dowel) AI&P Tactical Cleaning patches ( Paper Towels) and of course the AI&P Tactical Gun Blast ( Cyclo Parts and Break Cleaner from the auto parts store). And lets not forget the 11-87P gas orifice cleaners (pipe cleaners) Or guys can go to spoting goods store and buy an $80 shotgun cleaning kit and another $30 in gun cleaning mess. And no I don't sell the AI&P Tactical Cleaning equipment so guys can pick that stuff where they find it.

I will mention in the video to polish the bore on a new 870 prior to break in. Also, this has been the one issue bashed about on all these web sites against the 870. Even when multiple post state this same ammo causes issue in other models. You have never read of me bashing any Mossberg, Winchester or Ithica so I don't sit by and let others bash the Remington 870. Sorry if I get pissy with some of you who have done this bashing mess but there is a line between stating your preference for one model over the other and bashing one just because you chose another.

[fnslpmark112]

Google "Remington 870 extraction problem, stuck shell, or a variety of other terms"

Aippi makes money when people buy Remingtons. You shouldn't have to stick a wooden dowel with various witchcraft down your barrel to get the gun to fire on a properly made gun. The 870 express I purchased was the only shotgun I have ever purchased that didn't work right out of the box.

Aippi, don't lie. Admit it. Remington quality is garbage right now. And, you know their express finish is terrible for rust. You are loosing all credibility.

For crying out loud, a special video just to get a pump shotgun working.

[Skidmark]

Chill out, brother frnslmark. JD does fine, and is not ignorant of Remington quality issues. You show your own ignorance of the issue with your derisive dismissal of an effective chamber cleaning method, calling it "witchcraft."

[aippi]

You are correct about the matte finish and I parkerize all my custom builds. I have also told guys that live in the Desert that they don't need parkerizing as the matte will be fine and I tell guys that live in humid areas that the better get parkerizing or some other finish on their Express because that matte is a rust magnet in humid areas. Other quality issues come and go, like the solid steel extractor issue right now. Bet the 40 I ordered last Thrusday will be fine. Took some *****ing and even posting it and getting other to call in, but I trust Remington to get it right.

So yes, there are Quality control issues with Remington the same as every gun manufacturer or any manufacturer who makes anything else. Most of it goes to the workers. People don't care as much these days and factor in a Union shop where the guy can screw up for years before they can get rid of him and I am amazed it is not worst in our country. Tens of thousands of cars getting recalled every year. Products with lead being sold in childrens toys, People getting sick eating name brand foods they have eaten for years, and people getting hurt and killed by defective products. Yet with all of this you are gripeing about having to clean your own weapon out of the box. I don't get the anger from you about an issue that is solved so easy. I have never taken a weapon out of a box and fired it without inspecting it and cleaning it. I make sure the weapon is safe to fire. You are blasting a company who has sold over 10,000,000 of the same model you bought because yours will not cycle cheap Winchester Universal Ammo. That same 870 will be with you 50 years from now and still running like a top, and it will extract as it was designed to.

[rudeboy3]

Aippi dont even bother responding to this guy, he has no idea what he is saying. He just called steel wool for polishing "witchcraft". Do you tell people who have to polish 1911's feedramps there gun is crap too?

[fnslpmark112]

It was every type of ammo I had. Not Winchester. My local Remington Service center says he gets 5 870s a week with the same problem.

Remington 870 is a religion for some of you guys. They are good guns once they start working. How you can defend a manufacturer with such a huge known problem is beyond me. Remington surpasses most other gun companies for putting out garbage right now.

Any gun you buy should be ready to go by simply cleaning it prior to use. You shouldn't have to use steel wool on anything. That is a joke. It certainly is not in their manual. When someone dies because he trusted one of these things, I hope he sues their company into the poor house.

[aippi]

Advice taken. The problem is that I have always heard that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. I have never believed that as I believe if you stick the horses head in the water and suck on his "A double S" he will drinK. So I tend to stick longer when trying to get someone to look at something with some sence. So I will take your advice. My Grandpa always said not to suffer fools, something from the bible I think. Never understood that statement but I am starting to.

[FatalKitty]

It was every type of ammo I had. Not Winchester. My local Remington Service center says he gets 5 870s a week with the same problem.

Remington 870 is a religion for some of you guys. They are good guns once they start working. How you can defend a manufacturer with such a huge known problem is beyond me. Remington surpasses most other gun companies for putting out garbage right now.

Any gun you buy should be ready to go by simply cleaning it prior to use. You shouldn't have to use steel wool on anything. That is a joke. It certainly is not in their manual. When someone dies because he trusted one of these things, I hope he sues their company into the poor house.

that's interesting... between myself and my room mates (3 of us) we have 13 shotguns, many different makes and manufactures... I own all remington 870s (4) after shooting mossbergs and 870s during my service as a marine.
the cheap winchester ammo causes extraction issues in ALL of the shotguns save for 1, which is a winchester speedpump. The issues I had were FTE about every other magazine. My girlfriend's mossy 500 wouldn't even eject a single one without slamming it on the ground. After switching to the remington stuff, and having no problems with determined this to be a problem with the ammo and started looking online. EVERYTHING we found was problems using the crappy winchester ammo, and zero problems shooting anything else.

the guns all cycle the federal , fochi, and remington ammo just fine - the bulk pack federal you get at walmart for $20 shoots flawlessly - I have not performed this extra step with the steel wool on any of my shotguns, I simply stopped shooting the cheap *** winchester ammo and haven't had any problems since.

the joke you told about someone dying... I have NEVER seen or even heard of one of these things malfunctioning using quality ammo - and if you're using cheap winchester ammo for self defense you're a damn idiot and probably deserve to die.

if you want to talk sense about a known problem remington has ejecting cheap ammo then fine... no one is going to say that is not true because we all know it is. However, there is a difference between discussing a known issue with advice to correct it than blowing a situation WAY out of proportion because you had one bad experience.
remington has a serious oversight in the problem but it's not due to cutting corners, it has to do with not caring about the guns shooting crappy ammo that won't even cycle properly in most weapons out there.

[SiRay6]

I just bought my 870 express tactical in July this year. It has never had any extraction issues at all. After every shoot I take the gun apart and clean/lube it (except the trigger assembly). I take good care of my stuff (everything I own) so after I read this thread, I want to learn to polish the barrel to help smooth it out.

My unit doesn't need it, but I'm open to learning/trying new things so I'm going to do it (actually I did it yesterday after my shoot in the morning).

I'd appreciate the video detailing how to polish the barrel, so please update us when its uploaded

Thanks!

-Ray

[rudeboy3]

Ok you guys, you dont need a video. Go to the hardware store and ask where the wooden dowels are. Next get the biggest one that will fit in your drill. After that buy electrical tape and 00 steel wool. Now go home and cut the steel wool big enough to fit in the CHAMBER side of the barrel but it should be pretty snug. I made it to where its tight enough, that I cant push it in but if its on the drill I spin it in to the barrel. Now use the drill at full power for like 30 or so sec, maybe a minute. The barrel will get a little warm and thats it your done....Now go shoot that "crappy" Remington. Oh and the dowel, saw it so one end is short and one is long so you can clean your barrel with the long end.