Benelli M4????

[Dhena81]

Ok I really didn't want to buy a Benelli M4 but I did turners has them for $300 off so I took the plunge. My question is I found a collapsible stock assembly for 200 bucks online and I want to know is this legal to have in CA. Another question is there a limitation on the rounds I can have in the magazine I want to add the 2 round extension to it also.

[The Duke]

Bump. Hope somebody will answer. You should be fine on the stock, but seeing as CA is a 10 round state, I'm curious as to the small capacity of the Benellis. I've heard a few people say benelli had to do this to be approved for sale here??

[vf111]

A collapsible stock on an M4 will create an assault weapon in CA.

You can install the extended magazine tube but will have to play the 922r game. See here: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=238587

[Dhena81]

Thank you so much I searched prior to posting this helps a lot.

A collapsible stock on an M4 will create an assault weapon in CA.

You can install the extended magazine tube but will have to play the 922r game. See here: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=238587

[faterikcartman]

Check this out and then search for more recent info. There is some federal regulation about modifying an M4 (922(r)) you need to research before you do anything to it.

http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13576

Edit: Sorry, looks like someone else alerted you to 922r above.

[PEBKAC]

You can own the collapsible stock, you just can't install it on the M4 with any pistol grips or VFGs installed at the same time. If you could create some kind of jury rigged non-pistol grip that also works with the collapsible stock in place of the pistol grip that you would normally install, that would be kosher but probably more effort than it is worth.

However at $200 flat buying a collapsible stock for the M4 is worth it if only as an investment, I think they go for at least $400 on the open market. More if another panic sets in.

[Ding126]

1) Magazine tube extension is good in Ca.
Magazine tube extension will violate Federal 922R unless US made and additional parts are replaced to conform

2) Skeleton stock ...if you purchase an M4 11707 model then the skel stock will adjust as designed ( no good in Ca ) If you have the 1014 model the skel stock will lock in the extended mode and not allow for it to collaps ( ok in CA )

fixed stock good...collapsable no good in CA

With all modern rifles and shotguns...modification may violate 922R unless replacing with US made parts...then there is Ca law

[Ding126]

This letter clearly states that there are 13 imported parts (contradicting another letter I've seen online that stated 11) and that it is legal to add a full length mag tube or extension greater than 4 rounds provided that you add three US made parts to get to the magic "No more than 10 imported parts"

I can't figure out how to attach the files. Everytime I click on 'Manage Attachments', it tells me "you have uploaded the maximum amount of 1 files". I have already scanned them in as PDFs so that I can share them. So if someone can give me any tips I'll attach them.

EDITED AFTER POST #17 SINCE I NOW HAVE THE LETTERS POSTED:

Please read my original request to understand the context of his responses

Original Request to ATF: http://i25.tinypic.com/2u7xdzn.jpg

ATF Response pg 1 http://i30.tinypic.com/sxhn2r.jpg
ATF Response pg 2 http://i26.tinypic.com/etwkkn.jpg

Here is a list of the parts that the Chief listed in the letter for quick reference.
1) Receiver
2) Barrel
3) Bolt
4) Bolt Carrier
5) Gas Piston
6) Trigger Housing
7) Trigger
8) Hammer
9) Disconnector
10) Buttstocks
11) Forearm
12) Magazine body
13) Followers

The bold items would be the easiest to replace and comply with 922R #'s 11,12 & 13
________________________________________

[vf111]

Here is a list of the parts that the Chief listed in the letter for quick reference.
1) Receiver
2) Barrel
3) Bolt
4) Bolt Carrier
5) Gas Piston
6) Trigger Housing
7) Trigger
8) Hammer
9) Disconnector
10) Buttstocks
11) Forearm
12) Magazine body
13) Followers

The bold items would be the easiest to replace and comply with 922R #'s 11,12 & 13
________________________________________

Yup, that's what I did: mag tube from SocomGuy (I don't think he does this anymore but others are making it now), follower from Brownells, and forearm from Surefire.

[vf111]

However at $200 flat buying a collapsible stock for the M4 is worth it if only as an investment, I think they go for at least $400 on the open market. More if another panic sets in.

I have a hard time believing a real Benelli collapsible stock is $200. You should confirm its not a cheap Chinese airsoft knock-off before forking over your hard-earned cash.

[Dhena81]

I have a hard time believing a real Benelli collapsible stock is $200. You should confirm its not a cheap Chinese airsoft knock-off before forking over your hard-earned cash.

You know after waiting the 10 days I started looking on the internet for a collapsible stock and I've seen them up to $750. I'm 99% positive its Benelli OEM I might order one and if I do I'll let you guys know.

After reading all your guys links and such which I'm very thankful Calguns rocks I'm going to go ahead and do things the right way. Like everyone has been saying get the Surefire M80 or KZ foregrip and the carriercomp tube and spring with the follower to conform to 922.

Also I've been reading that if I attach the skeletonized stock it won't collapse since the recoil spring tube is not milled properly to allow the collapsible function. If its a tacti-cool fixed stock it doesn't make it an AW in CA eyes right? I'm probably going to let this go (collapsible stock) I'm not 100% yet because I'm already looking at spending an extra 400 bucks for a 2 round extension when everything is said and done. Also I don't want to be considered a criminal because of an illegal technicality as it applies to CA sheepdogs.

Once again thanks for all the help its much appreciated.

[Ding126]

I've had and fired the M4 with skel stock...To me it looks better than it feels while shooting..I sold my skel stock and added the factory pistol grip. It feels much better IMO

Good luck

[PEBKAC]

You know after waiting the 10 days I started looking on the internet for a collapsible stock and I've seen them up to $750. I'm 99% positive its Benelli OEM I might order one and if I do I'll let you guys know.

After reading all your guys links and such which I'm very thankful Calguns rocks I'm going to go ahead and do things the right way. Like everyone has been saying get the Surefire M80 or KZ foregrip and the carriercomp tube and spring with the follower to conform to 922.

Also I've been reading that if I attach the skeletonized stock it won't collapse since the recoil spring tube is not milled properly to allow the collapsible function. If its a tacti-cool fixed stock it doesn't make it an AW in CA eyes right? I'm probably going to let this go (collapsible stock) I'm not 100% yet because I'm already looking at spending an extra 400 bucks for a 2 round extension when everything is said and done. Also I don't want to be considered a criminal because of an illegal technicality as it applies to CA sheepdogs.

Once again thanks for all the help its much appreciated.

Alright.

Forearm/foregrip: Probably the surefire is best. Why? Because it is as close to the stock forearm without being it, something the other options don't seem to do. Whats the point of having a gun that is so easy to field strip when the forearm completely negates that ability? Know almost nothing about the KZ except it exists and seems to require some screw for proper installation. Honestly if someone could make some copies of the OEM benelli forearm that would be optimal but it ain't happening to the best of my knowledge.

Stock: If you buy a current M4 Super 90, the recoil tube will correctly be milled for the collapsible stock. At least it should be. I think only the limited "M1014"s had the wrong tube. If you want to check, unscrew the stock and look for 3 grooves across the top of the tube running perpendicular to it. This is going by memory here...they might be on one side of it...the key though is the three grooves running perpendicular to the tube's length. If they are there, it is good to go for a collapsible stock, and thus to make that kosher in the eyes of CA you will need to pin or fix it by other means.

Tube: Carriercomp TI tube is very nice. Veeeeeeeeery nice. I speak as someone who owns one. However it is also $100 more than most other tubes except OEM Benelli. If you have money you don't want, its worth it. Otherwise DMW or similar is quite sufficient.

[prc77]

Bump. Hope somebody will answer. You should be fine on the stock, but seeing as CA is a 10 round state, I'm curious as to the small capacity of the Benellis. I've heard a few people say benelli had to do this to be approved for sale here??

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"You should be fine on the stock"
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